I got cured from POIS

[sameer7777]

Thankyou Chris

[Prancer]

It's clear to me Yaniv should not be taken seriously. He says "my interest is that people will get cured, at least whoever willing to do the first step and contact me,  I do not have any interest to start discussions here about how are things works."

Well, if you don't have any interest to start discussion here, then you should just leave now. In other words, GTFO. That's why we have a POIS forum Yaniv.

Basically he's saying, "Hey guys I'm cured! But...you have to contact me in private for me to tell you what I did! *wink*"

The whole entire point, Yaniv, of a forum like this is finding a cure. A cure is the ultimate culmination of all our effort, time, money, dedication, etc. That is the absolute LAST thing I would hold back from posting. Yaniv says he doesn't have the knowledge of how it works. Give me a break! No one says you have to give every last detail, just a summary at minimum, so we know whether to take you seriously. Thanks Chris for that info you found! Even Chris knows more about Yaniv's cure than Yaniv himself.

I agree with Stef: ignore Yaniv, and let's continue our stride to some real and open scientific results.

[Stef]

It's clear to me Yaniv should not be taken seriously. He says "my interest is that people will get cured, at least whoever willing to do the first step and contact me,  I do not have any interest to start discussions here about how are things works."

Well, if you don't have any interest to start discussion here, then you should just leave now. In other words, GTFO. That's why we have a POIS forum Yaniv.

Basically he's saying, "Hey guys I'm cured! But...you have to contact me in private for me to tell you what I did! *wink*"

The whole entire point, Yaniv, of a forum like this is finding a cure. A cure is the ultimate culmination of all our effort, time, money, dedication, etc. That is the absolute LAST thing I would hold back from posting. Yaniv says he doesn't have the knowledge of how it works. Give me a break! No one says you have to give every last detail, just a summary at minimum, so we know whether to take you seriously. Thanks Chris for that info you found! Even Chris knows more about Yaniv's cure than Yaniv himself.

I agree with Stef: ignore Yaniv, and let's continue our stride to some real and open scientific results.

Perfectly stated, Prancer!

[demografx]

Ditto !

[Daveman]

We've all seen "miracle cures". Perhaps half of us have felt at one point or another that we have found the ultimate cure.

We  had the 2 week rule for the same reason. Give it time, you'll find out that your cure is just circumstancial. Even the Niacin cure is partial and not for everyone.

For me, even after 2+ years, niacin isn't the same..... cure?


So you all can go running after another one. I don't even know if our present program will find one. I'm not stupid enough to promise that. But at least it's 100% medical research by the books and will produce valid data.

As I've said before: "Success without data isn't success and failure with data IS success.

I wouldn't even discount holistic medicine, there may even BE some energetic component. After all, what more than the vagus nerve to support energetic synergy in the body.

But don't imagine that someone who is not willing to be honest about his program or support it "medically" is likely to be on the up and up. It won't get you a doctors appointment.

Some of the most lucrative programs tell you that all you have to do is submit to a mysterious process for 18 months (or 3 whatever) at "X" cost, before you even begin to  see any benefit. And if you hold your mouth just right and concentrate on the magic light that eventually you will be better.

Good luck. We wish you well. Remember we'll still be here, albeit without promises, but yes, with that ever valuable data. And something that will get you a valuable doctor's appointment.

[Myers6609]

We've all seen "miracle cures". Perhaps half of us have felt at one point or another that we have found the ultimate cure.

We  had the 2 week rule for the same reason. Give it time, you'll find out that your cure is just circumstancial. Even the Niacin cure is partial and not for everyone.

For me, even after 2+ years, niacin isn't the same..... cure?


So you all can go running after another one. I don't even know if our present program will find one. I'm not stupid enough to promise that. But at least it's 100% medical research by the books and will produce valid data.

As I've said before: "Success without data isn't success and failure with data IS success.

I wouldn't even discount holistic medicine, there may even BE some energetic component. After all, what more than the vagus nerve to support energetic synergy in the body.

But don't imagine that someone who is not willing to be honest about his program or support it "medically" is likely to be on the up and up. It won't get you a doctors appointment.

Some of the most lucrative programs tell you that all you have to do is submit to a mysterious process for 18 months (or 3 whatever) at "X" cost, before you even begin to  see any benefit. And if you hold your mouth just right and concentrate on the magic light that eventually you will be better.

Good luck. We wish you well. Remember we'll still be here, albeit without promises, but yes, with that ever valuable data. And something that will get you a valuable doctor's appointment.

Well said, Daveman. While I agree fully that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and that we must hold Yavin's claims to the candlelight of skepticism, I do think that we mustn't be rude and simply dismiss merely on that basis. Perhaps Yavin has truly found a cure and wants to help (however unlikely), or perhaps instead he's a satanic devil-worshipper just trying to sell something (also unlikely), but whatever his intentions, well-meaning or not, we should assume innocent until proven guilty. We shouldn't be unfriendly and dismissive on the basis of assumption. We're all friends here.

I will say though, Yavin, that (if you haven't gotten the message yet) people shouldn't have to waste time investigating dubious and substanceless claims when there are more valid, promising territories to be explored. However, if you can provide a thorough and comprehensive explanation of your treatment I'm sure that people would be happy to read it.

Edit: I definitely agree that asking for personal information is strange and suspicion-worthy. That is a more reasonable basis for defensiveness, but again, let's not jump to conclusions.

[demografx]

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[youcefrouiba]

i talked to his dotor on skype :he gave me 0 information

[FloppyBanana]

Thanks Demo for reposting the forum guidelines. I have not read them in a while. I could be wrong but the "Let us know if something is wrong" guidance is slightly outdated because since the forum upgrade the link on each post is not there any more.

FB

[demografx]

I talked to his [Yaniv's] doctor on skype :he gave me 0 information

Lol!!!

[demografx]

Thanks Demo for reposting the forum guidelines. I have not read them in a while. I could be wrong but the "Let us know if something is wrong" guidance is slightly outdated because since the forum upgrade the link on each post is not there any more.

FB

You don't have, " Report to Moderator" link on each post?

[Stef]

Thanks Demo for reposting the forum guidelines. I have not read them in a while. I could be wrong but the "Let us know if something is wrong" guidance is slightly outdated because since the forum upgrade the link on each post is not there any more.

FB

You don't have, " Report to Moderator" link on each post?

Demo -- when the poiscenter platform was recently renewed, the "Report to Moderator" function disappeared. You and Daveman probably still see it internally -- but no one else does.

Stef

[demografx]

Stef , I feel silly: you did tell me that before

Well, I guess the only way to report trouble(makers) is to post it or -- if necessary -- PM's to me or Stef or Daveman...

[demografx]

Cross-posted from NSF tells the story:  €3,000 for POIS treatment!

Dear friends, It has been ~4 years since I found this forum... I have POIS since I was 13 years old;
Now I am almost 36.That syndrome hit me very hard over the years, the usual symptoms, brain fog, muscles pain, headaches, exhaustion, memory issues and many others... till it became chronically. Over the years, I tried so many treatments, unfortunately - with very slight success. Fortunately, I have found a doctor that treated me for the last 2 months and the results were unbelievable, my POIS is almost 100% gone. Personally, I would like to connect any of you that is interested with that doctor that changed my life. I see it as a mission, as something that I must pay it forward since I know how much suffer and frustration are involved If any of you is interested in details you are welcome to contact me in private, Take the best care, Janiv

Your doctor asks 3000 euros for the full treatment Pois.

And Janiv gets future discounts?

[demografx]

FIRST 50 BUYERS OF JANIV'S DOCTOR'S €3,000 POIS TREATMENT GET ...

FREE ASTHMA CIGARETTES!!!

[Chris]

FIRST 50 BUYERS OF JANIV'S DOCTOR'S €3,000 POIS TREATMENT GET ...

FREE ASTHMA CIGARETTES!!!

LOL! That was a nice one Demo!

[Chris]

Stef , I feel silly: you did tell me that before

Well, I guess the only way to report trouble(makers) is to post it or -- if necessary -- PM's to me or Stef or Daveman...

Actually Demo & Stef, I have, can see  & use the ''Report to the moderator'' icon when i'm logged in my account. I deliberately logged out (my account is logged in all the time) to check how the forum looks, entered as a guest user and found that the ''Report to the moderator'' icon plus many other functions and applications weren't there or subfunction.

The truth is, in the beginning & after the forum's update, I was too facing the same problem with the forum even logged in. But someday everything was normal again, all apps and functions looked and worked fine and I hadn't done anything. Just restored by itself.

I believe there is an update problem to some users and PC's and that's why the forum is not looking & working properly. Maybe Demo & Daveman can fix it, although i think it's a problem by the forum designer

[demografx]

Thanks, Chris! Emailing your post to Daveman right now!

[Stef]

Stef , I feel silly: you did tell me that before

Well, I guess the only way to report trouble(makers) is to post it or -- if necessary -- PM's to me or Stef or Daveman...

Actually Demo & Stef, I have, can see  & use the ''Report to the moderator'' icon when i'm logged in my account. I deliberately logged out (my account is logged in all the time) to check how the forum looks, entered as a guest user and found that the ''Report to the moderator'' icon plus many other functions and applications weren't there or subfunction.

The truth is, in the beginning & after the forum's update, I was too facing the same problem with the forum even logged in. But someday everything was normal again, all apps and functions looked and worked fine and I hadn't done anything. Just restored by itself.

I believe there is an update problem to some users and PC's and that's why the forum is not looking & working properly. Maybe Demo & Daveman can fix it, although i think it's a problem by the forum designer

Thanks, Chris!

Now -- all of a sudden -- the "Report to Moderator" function is back in gear on both my mobile phone and PC.  I don't know what changed -- but am glad to know it's there.

For those of you who still can't view/use this function -- it''s only available to me if I'm logged in. (But it wasn't available, logged in or not, a few weeks ago).

And as you mentioned, Chris, a few other sub-functions are also there again.

Stef

[sameer7777]

WELL , i was looking some input from Yaniv , pls tell us if you have any thing pls