The Taurine laboratory

[Nas]

Muon, yes, I did it 3 years ago. At this time I used to take 500mg a day.
After several ejaculations, my bloodtest showed a normal level but close to the low limite dispite the 500mg a day.

I really wonder if i should take 500mg a day now instead of 500mg per orgasm.


Nas, yes it's my oldest remedy. I take 300mg a day since many years.

Can monosodium glutamate destroys taurine ?

Hey B_jim,
I wonder are you still taking Magnesium? And how would you say it was effective for you?

[b_jim]

Yes, I currently take 300mg a day (glycerophate and oxyde forms).
I have 3 remedies since 1993 and if I give a mark, it could be something like :

Magnesium     *
No sugar diet  ***
Taurine           ******

[Nas]

Yes, I currently take 300mg a day (glycerophate and oxyde forms).
I have 3 remedies since 1993 and if I give a mark, it could be something like :

Magnesium     *
No sugar diet  ***
Taurine           ******

Hey b_jim,
Have you tried Magnesium Glycinate? It is said to be much more effective and can pass through the BBB resulting on a much more direct impact on the brain.
I would also like to ask you about the effect of Taurine, was it immediate? or does it have to be accumulated first?

[b_jim]

Hi,
No I didn't try this form, but i want to test it. It could be the best magnesium form.
We told about the specific case of glycine element on the NMDA receptor.
Nanna1 think glycine may have a negative effect.
http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2711.0

No, taurine effect was immediate and impressive.
Even with fish diet i felt a big difference.

[nanna1]

Hi b_jim and Nas,

I found this in "Bioavailability and pharmacokinetics of magnesium after administration of magnesium salts to humans.". I'm guessing Oral Absorption % and Side Effects are the two categories people care most about.

[swell]

I dont see the L-Threonate here I read has highest bioavailabilty compared to other kinds plus its only kind that crosses the brain blood barrier and hopefully helping brain fog etc.

Hi b_jim and Nas,

I found this in "Bioavailability and pharmacokinetics of magnesium after administration of magnesium salts to humans.". I'm guessing Oral Absorption % and Side Effects are the two categories people care most about.

[Muon]

My Pois came gradualy when I was a teenager.

Same here. This process took years. It's weird how it takes so much time to develop into extreme symptoms.

[b_jim]

So, that's why sometimes I think repeated ejaculation during teenage drains "something" . And this something could be taurine or something linked to taurine. It's not easy to find taurine deficiency symptoms for humans, in scientific litterature.

[Muon]

But you still had POIS when they checked you for taurine and levels were normal right? Yes this also led me to think there is a slow change of some parameter in the body. I was reading something about hormone related stuff today on the dutch version of wikipedia and I noticed something https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypopitu%C3%AFtarisme
The english version of the page doesn't show this text:''De uitval van de hormoonproductie is meestal een sluipend proces, dat zich uitstrekt over maanden tot jaren''
Translated: The drop in hormone production is mostly a slowly creeping process, that extends over months to years.
I'm not suggesting Hypopitu?tarisme has something to do with POIS but to make clear that there are diseases that take a lot of time to develop.

[b_jim]

Normal (close to low limit) but I took 500mg a day. Now, only 500mg a week.
But you are right.

[b_jim]

What's wrong with me ? Each time I work under sun and hot temp, I can't sleep at all the following night and I feel deeply depressed.

Does something is lost by perspiration ? Salt ? Magnesium ? Iodine ?
Does hot temp (>30°) create a stress and make me to release too much cortisol ?

It's boring. It seems athlete can lose 1g of sodium per hour under the sun.
I ll try to add salt in my water.

[Quantum]

What's wrong with me ? Each time I work under sun and hot temp, I can't sleep at all the following night and I feel deeply depressed.

Does something is lost by perspiration ? Salt ? Magnesium ? Iodine ?
Does hot temp (>30°) create a stress and make me to release too much cortisol ?

It's boring. It seems athlete can lose 1g of sodium per hour under the sun.
I ll try to add salt in my water.

The more I sweat when I play tennis or badminton, the more it will be hard to recover.... unless I  take salted water, but, also,  potassium ( I always eat a banana after sport, a good source of potassium), and some magnesium.  Salted water alone does not work. I also take a tablet of potassium chloride ( gives 8 mEq of K+).  With that, I recover faster, and do not have heavy heartbeat.

Try eating a couple banana during your day, and tell me if it helps !   

Organic bananas, of course ))

[b_jim]

Thanks a lot
Feel better today. Hard to understand what happens.
It's a form of depression post-exercice. I eat tons of bananas, apricot and potatoes. I sometimes asked if potassium unbalance could be a cause of pois.
if not salt or iodine or something lost with perspiration it may be simply cortisol blocking tryptophan-serotonine-melatonin.
I have the same feeling sometimes in pois.

[b_jim]

Last week, it happened agained :/ Temperature was hot but my work was easy (mainly ride mower).

Yesterday, I had my biggest work of the year : more of 10 hours of edge trimmer !
Temperature was not very hot (~22-25°C) but I lost lot of water.
It didn't happen, I wasn't in depression !

What I changed :

- I put salt in my water and in my food.
- i take 300mg of magnesium glycerophospate (3*100 during the day) and dark chocolate at 16h.
- I ate a lot, vegetable and chicken (tryptophan?)
- I made relaxation and breathing exercice during 20' after meal, supposed to reduce cortisol.

What is the main factor, i don't know.

[mike_sweden]

would you recommend me to start taking taurine?

[b_jim]

You have to know less of 10 Poisers had good result.
But it cost only 15-20 €$ to make a test.
I you don't like supplement, you can make a diet with large amount of fish (especially salmon) and scallops during a week.

[mike_sweden]

You have to know less of 10 Poisers had good result.
But it cost only 15-20 €$ to make a test.
I you don't like supplement, you can make a diet with large amount of fish (especially salmon) and scallops during a week.

ok i will get it tomorrow and start

[JohnJames]

See this: http://gotmag.org/the-root-cause-protocol/

and

https://therootcauseprotocol.com

I'm not sure if this has been discussed yet, but it seems Taurine improves metabolisation of Copper, and which could mean that this guy (Morley Robbins) is correct and maybe your POIS is caused by an imbalance of Iron, Magnesium, and copper?

Supplementing magnesium helped you, and supplementing taurine has helped, and some people find relief from gluten-free diet (he recommends paleo)? Maybe this guy is on to something?

Has anyone looked into this?

[b_jim]

No, you are the first one making the link.
For me , link mg-taurine is clear.
We told about cerulosplasmin, iron and copper but I didn't made bloodtest (my iron level was correct but mg too low).

[b_jim]

i think the link GABA-endorphins may be the Pois key.

Endorphins are released with orgasm
Chinese MD think Pois is an endorphin deficiency.
Pois looks like a "50% Opiate whidrawal syndrome" (4-5 days for Pois, 8-10 for ows)

Endorphins balance is linked to Gaba.
Taurine as Gaba-like subsatnce helps my pois.
I just found a new link between both :

Pregabaline is used to fight Ows.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22689280

Coincidence, I know this med. It was used by a member of my family for a serious condition.

I think endorphins levels crash after ejaculation and Gaba retro-controles the endorphins levels. If gaba level is low, endorphins level can't rebalance quickly, explaining Pois.