Reduction of symptoms by diet

[b_jim]

Hello,

I create this topic to share my strategy to reduce Pois symptoms.
First, I strongly believe the auto-immune explanation is the good one to explain my Pois. Because my Pois looks like a flu, now. At the beggining my Pois symptoms was mainly mental confusion ("feel like sleeping"). Very strong symptom. My Pois started in the middle of 90's. And first real improvement since middle of 2008.

A french friend  gave me the beggining of the solution. He wanted to lose some weight. So he started to have a good diet and it seems to reduce his Pois after some days or weeks ! He thinks the glycemia is linked to this....

I started to reduce white sugar with some succes. But the other carbs like white bread and white rice have the same effect. The key is to undertand the notion of glycemic index. The base of the anti-Pois diet is to reduce glycemic index.

But at the end of 2010, I made an improvement. After eating large amount of salmon, i had a zero Pois episode soI find the fats play a big role in my symptoms.

How does it work ?
I'm sure the diet 100% works but I'm not sure I can give a 100% sure theory.

I think  Pois like this :

Orgasm=>auto-immune reaction => inflammation => "flu" symptoms + cognitive

I can't stop the auto-immune reaction.
But I really think the diet have an HUGE influence on second step, inflammation.
This is something I didn't have talked to dr Waldinger yet.
Ther is some scientific argument about the effects of glycemic index food and some inflammation markers like TNF-Alpha.
For fats, it seems the unbalance between omega-6 and omega-3 is a factor of inflamation. And probably saturated fats creates inflammation too.
To explain confusion, it's more harder. Maybe some cytokines block some neurotransmitters synthesis (explaining, in other way, why you have a bad mood during a normal flu).

So, to make a first sumary, if you have my Pois "type" (confusion, flu-like symptoms, diarheas, muscle/joint pains....) you could try :

- Eat low glycemic indec food or less carbohydrates.
- Eat good fats (fish, wallnuts, olive oil, colza margarine...) and less saturated or omega-6 rich food (sunflower, butter, ..... all junk food)



1/ balance fats :


2/ less/no fast sugar






 

[Daveman]

Fully agree that foods can have a heavy effect over the length and strength of our sessions.

It's really insidious, in that one doesn't really make the relationships right away, especially when there are things in the food like additives etc. that you don't even know are there.

I started graphing my intake against the symptoms and onset of each POIS session, and a few things jumped right out at me!!

MSG for instance! Avoid it like the plague!!! Which isn't that easy to do. It's in a lot more stuff than you can imagine, and it's given modified names so you don't see "MSG". Like Check out MSG on Google. It will scare you.

Basically if you stick to fresh foods, well washed, you're a lot better off.

Then there's stuff like B_Jim mentions, and other stuff too. I've never been sensitive to lactates.... but now in POIS I am.

[Vincent M]

The only problem with this is that some of us don't have the willpower to avoid the more unhealthy foods like butter and fried foods and sugar ect. But the fact that it works for you is good to know in any case.

[b_jim]

I understand it's not easy to refuse a type of food (good taste is often bad for health,unfortunately). My last Pois episode was caused by... pancakes ("crêpes" in french ) made by my sister ... Good for taste but I paid it the day after with nice Pois symptoms.

But, I really need to know if it works for some other guys ! I give an improvement of 50-70% of symptoms with diet. My friend think his improvment is higher then.

I think only a 2 day diet before orgasm may improve.

The last point is, from my observations, if I manage to avoid the flu-like symptoms in the first hours, the cognition and fatigue symptoms will be avoided/reduced later.

[Daveman]

At one point, I made detailed notes about intake fo various things like foods, medicines, other against synptoms all marked against day 0.

Normally we do this in our heads, but in that way only get a general idea. If you jot things down, you remember the details, and also later if you can plot them in some sort of graph, imazing things jump out.

I have a database that I put together for that. In my case, I entered the data directly to the database, but with a touch of work, a WEB interface could be produced that helps enter the data and makes theprocess of noting things "in the moment", easier.

I'm working on a lot right now, with the other databases and the WEB header page, but in a bot when the dust settles, I can make that a project.

I'm sure that diet can make a great improvement in with symptoms. But/and the effectivity factor can be greatly improved if you can pinpoint the most influencial factors.

Especially given that there is so much difference, person to person.

[Vincent M]

So, to make a first sumary, if you have my Pois "type" (confusion, flu-like symptoms, diarheas, muscle/joint pains....) you could try :

- Eat low glycemic indec food or less carbohydrates.
- Eat good fats (fish, wallnuts, olive oil, colza margarine...) and less saturated or omega-6 rich food (sunflower, butter, ..... all junk food)

B_Jim would you give a complete list of your entire diet in detail? I'm curious exactly which foods you've been eating since in the past I've tried to simply eat healthy, but have found some health foods help more than other health foods. Also I've read into glycemic index a bit and it seems some foods that you wouldn't think have a high glycemic index actually do such as baked potatoes. Also have you noticed which specific foods help you the most?

[Ccconfucius]

there is is omega 3 oil that is very high omega3 per serving about 1600 total for 1 teaspoon.
This might help if you dont want to eat a lot of fish all the time.

[Daveman]

Hey CC

Another possibility is to nuy a good cook book for fish. Chile being mostly beach and mountains, has a lot of seafood, and they KNOW how to cook it. There are many really delicious recipies, and they don't even have to include a lot of the bad stuff either.

Fish goes great cooked with vegetables, from onions, garlic, peppers, to tomatoes, green beans, carrots, etc. etc. (Who knows, you might even be able to use fenugreek, it's probably more used as a spice in Indian food, than as a medicine.

Maybe we could make some cash for the POIS cause with a POIS cookbook!! 

[b_jim]

Breakfast : fruit, milk + oat meal + almonds/coconuts/nuts or bread + margarine (colza), egg (farm egg when possible).
I'm doing sometimes my bread.

Meals : I try to have meat + lots of vegetable + moderate carbs + fruit
Red wine (sometime white wine) : 1/2 glass a day.
 
Afternoon : sometimes wallnuts + fruit.
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Fish : 2-3 times a week (sardines, maquerels, salmon/trout ...).

White sugar : the less possible.
Pastries and chocolate : sometimes sunday.
Sodas : NEVER ! Even light.  No candy, chocolate bars...
The less junk food I can.
Fats : mostly margarine, olive oil, colza and wallnut oil (expansive).

[Daveman]

Although it's pretty clear in your diet above, where possible NO packged foods. FRESH, FRESH, FRESH.

And restaurants.... Uufff. even some of the health food and vegetarian resturants use sauces and seasonings with additives.

Bringing up the point....   even seasonings in the house, beware, only fresh, and it wouldn't hurt to cultivate a little garden.

Nothing like fresh picked spices, for deep and healthy seasoning.

[demografx]

I'm still waiting for a definitive ASCP (Abundant Strawberry Cheesecake Portion) anti-POIS medical recommendation!  

[b_jim]

Only the strawberry 

What I found strange is the fact there aren't a lot of articles linking food and inflammation. Martin gave me this one :
http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice&dbid=69
omega-3 fatty acid content) brings significant added benefits, and in some studies, further reduces inflammatory symptoms by another 15-30%.

We eat more and more food increasing inflammation.
A lot of diseases are linked to inflammation.

American's scientists are the best on inflammation search since 2000 (inflammation is "the root of all diseases" ). But in the same, american people eat very bad things. It is a paradox. The cost of health problems may overpass the profit of food industry in the next 15-20 years.

[Daveman]

Speaking of food. I've been rather surprised lately.

As many of you can attest, POIS brings digestive problems, and in my case heart-burn and acid reflux. For a whole week, the whole upper digestive tract, well from the stomach upwards, is sensitive and sore.

And as mentioned here some foods exagerate the situation, especially fatty foods. But surprisingly I've found, at least with the last two sessions, that chili peppers haven't worsened, and I even imagine, help to imporve this condition.

There's a pepper here that they call "puta madre", which is basically what you automatically say when you hit your thumb with a hammer. My mother in law made a dish with a little too much, and it was "WONDERFUL", makes you sweat under the eyes, and makes your nose drip!!

Surprisingly I felt almost better for the next 24 hours.

Go figure! Maybe it stimulates the endorphines!??

[demografx]

All this makes me wonder if my acid reflux is somehow connected to POIS. I take Aciphex daily to ward it off and then an additional Zantac (only 1-2X per year) if and when it gets pretty bad.

[Daveman]

I don't know, but mine calms way down between (when that happens) sessions.

More precisely it get's a lot worse between days 2 and 5.

[demografx]

I don't know, but [my acid reflux] calms way down between (when that happens) sessions.

More precisely it get's a lot worse between days 2 and 5.

Bruce, does that mean if we don't figure this out pretty soon we might Die Hard?

[Jon]

I also have noticed acid reflex and a digestive problem since my issue started.

[Ccconfucius]

Bjim am starting your diet because i have not been healing properly and i suspect diet,
how long did you start seeing the effects of the diet
 what type of bread do you eat, it is hard to low glycemic bread.


http://nutritiondata.self.com/foods-kellogg008000000000000000000.html
good website shows glycemic load and inflammatory factor, wished it showed glycemic index

[b_jim]

The fibers  slow the quickness of glycemia increase in blood so whole grain ("Brown bread" ) is better than white bread.

Same thing for other food : to eat an orange is better to drink orange juice because you eat the fibers of the fruit.

But glycemic index is not all. Glycemic load is important. If you eat tons of medium glycemic index food, it's worst than few high glycemic food.
The day before orgasm, i try to reduce carbs quantity.

[Ccconfucius]

okay that helps alot, i was going to focus on glycemic index, so you are also trying to reduce carbs.
i wonder if this supports that caveman diet where all the eat is vegetables and protein.
why does carbs cause inflammation.