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Interesting testimony Depersonalization/Dopamine
« on: June 21, 2014, 10:15:20 AM »
http://www.dpselfhelp.com/forum/index.php?/topic/28657-i-enter-depersonalizationdepressionanxiety-for-days-after-ejaculating-what-the-hell-is-wrong-with-me/

I enter depersonalization/depression/anxiety for days after ejaculating. What the hell is wrong with me?

Who would I go to see about this specifically? What is this indicative of (maybe low testosterone and my body can't make enough to keep up/replace it? but I don't have a squeaky high voice, I do have body hair, etc. Or perhaps something dealing with the dopamine/serotonin/other chemicals that are released...)? I'm not sure how ejaculating from frequent sex would turn out, as I quite frankly haven't gotten any lately, but this is honestly ruining my life at this point. I don't want to have to live my life like a neutered monk or only ejaculate once every week or two weeks tops (it doesn't seem AS bad at that frequency) to ensure I don't have a meltdown. I can hold off in the meantime, but that seems neither like a happy nor long-term solution with a partner in the future.

I know it's normal to feel a little tired or low after ejaculating, but this is far from that. I literally get horrendous depersonalization, social anxiety, clouded thoughts, incoherent speech that does not feel like my own, lack of motivation, warped judgment, emptiness, you name it -- for DAYS. In short, I totally lose my "self." Is there a such thing as a sex doctor who can treat this kind of crap? Any serious replies are welcome. I'm desperate because I've now realized it's a serious, life-altering problem that fundamentally changes who I am and makes it a hell of a job to function and socialize at even a basic level.

P.S. As far as "talk to a doctor," I actually have no health insurance currently (getting it in October) so I was coming here for starters to see if anyone knew what this specifically sounded like. Also, I'm not religious or anything that would make this merely some sort of severe guilt issue with watching porn. I've additionally tried masturbating (to porn, yes) WITHOUT climaxing, and none of this happens, suggesting it may strictly be an issue with ejaculation and its associated chemicals.

I know the relationship with sex and DP has probably been discussed, but I will love you forever if you have any specific leads, info, or personal experiences with the specific problem I'm talking about. Thank you all in advance.

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Re: Interesting testimony Depersonalization/Dopamine
« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2014, 10:19:08 AM »
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1.) Hey Visual, thanks for the reply. In addition to the symptoms in the original post, after this happens I get the classic DP feeling like I'm watching a pointless movie of "paladin8400" rather than me actually living my life. Working my ass off to maintain a good job, exercising, having a girlfriend, and being social, eating well, and generally "doing the right thing" haven't ultimately helped this. I become completely detached from my words and actions as if I'm not saying and performing them (expect a lot of blank, empty "ok...ok"'s and "yeah"'s, whereas you can't get me to stop talking when I'm not affected by this). My sense of goals and pride completely dies because I feel like my mind and body are separate, like I'm a mind trapped in someone else's body that's not me, and it gets downright frustrating trying to pick up and care for someone that's not really me and who I don't know. Whereas usually I just feel like I'm one; I feel like myself. Completely normal and happy. When I ejaculate, that all goes out the window in the subsequent days.

2.) The passion for everything is just gone like I'm a robot. The smallest tasks seem like insurmountable chores because there's no longer a connection between my actions and improving how I feel -- it's just as if I'm in a constant haze regardless of what else I'm doing. This results in the loss of interest in all social endeavors and social ability because it feels like about 10% of my brain is working. It makes it impossible to think fluidly and helped turned me from an A student to a C/D/F student.

3.) Again, this
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ALWAYS happens in the hours/days after sexual climax. The more I research the more I'm starting to think I have some kind of dopamine deficiency that becomes exposed or worsened when dopamine is released during an orgasm. If I wait a week or more, my personality and happiness returns -- there's a direct correlation
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4.) As for repressed memories, there's really no leads as far as being molested or something sexually traumatic like that. My dad died drowned when I was 6, but I'm not sure how that would manifest itself only in this aspect of my life (seems irrelevant, but you never know with these things). I've experienced this since I was a kid and discovered that sex was a part of life, but I never really knew what it was until just recently. I was thought to just have normal depression, and I was prescribed various SSRI's and antidepressants and stuff to try to treat it, with little to no effect. Now I realize have to try avoid the powerful biological urge of sexual relief just to prevent a crash. It's insane + maddening.
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Re: Interesting testimony Depersonalization/Dopamine
« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2014, 04:22:24 PM »
That's very interesting. sounds like POIS to me. Probably this guy should be guided to our forums. Thanks for sharing!
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« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2014, 05:31:29 PM »
That's very interesting. sounds like POIS to me. Probably this guy should be guided to our forums. Thanks for sharing!

I agree, extremely interesting, and it definitely sounds like he's got it. Thanks for sharing, b_jim. It's strange hearing about it from this perspective, where they don't yet know what's wrong with them. I feel soo sad in a way while reading it. I hope he discovered, or will discover, that he's not alone.

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Re: Interesting testimony Depersonalization/Dopamine
« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2014, 08:42:07 PM »
Just tried registering on those forums to reply, was having problems with it recognizing me. I'll try again later. Sounds similar to me, I have dealt with depersonalization seriously before
Turmeric and Rosemary 30-45 minutes before orgasm for anti-inflammatory and immune support has helped me a lot. Faster and easier than niacin approach.

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Re: Interesting testimony Depersonalization/Dopamine
« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2014, 10:02:57 PM »
Great post, b_jim!

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10 years of significant POIS-reduction, treatment consisting of daily (365 days/year) testosterone patches.

TRT must be checked out carefully with your doctor due to fertility, cardiac and other risks.

40+ years of severe 4-days-POIS, married, raised a family, started/ran a business

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Re: Interesting testimony Depersonalization/Dopamine
« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2014, 07:06:20 AM »
Definitely sounds like POIS to me, should contact the website to see if he has an email adress or something on his account?

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Re: Interesting testimony Depersonalization/Dopamine
« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2014, 02:48:07 AM »
Even if dopamine is the only culprit (that I don't think, Testosterone/progesterone must be linked),
the BIG problem is that's impossible to say if we have too much or too low dopamine !
And I clearly think the two solutions are possible, in the same time or in a same Pois cycle !

Orgasm => dopamine release => "too much" :
- head aches
- hot flashes (vaso-dilation), feel hot
- rash, acne,
- joint pains

Loss of cathecolamine then dopamine in sperm => "too low"
- feel cold (vaso-constriction)
- cognitive troubles (depersonalization, memory , speech...)
- muscular fatigue
- depression, anxiety, lack of motivation

Study :
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3784919

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All of these treatment [dopaminergic and antidopaminergic]regimens were effective in alleviating hot flushes, but the pharmacological agents proved to be more effective than the placebo.

It's like if we have a too small tank of dopamine and a too big faucet.





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Re: Interesting testimony Depersonalization/Dopamine
« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2014, 09:50:58 AM »
I experience the "too low" symptoms:
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- feel cold (vaso-constriction)
- cognitive troubles (depersonalization, memory , speech...)
- muscular fatigue
- depression, anxiety, lack of motivation

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Re: Interesting testimony Depersonalization/Dopamine
« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2014, 04:21:22 PM »
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Your body temperature is controlled by a thermostat in your brain called the hypothalamus. When the hypothalamus?s normal processes are disrupted, extreme surges in temperatures result. Now, researchers aren?t sure exactly what causes the disruptions, but waning estrogen may put you more at risk. Apparently, the estrogen stabilizes blood vessels. When estrogen levels fall, blood vessels expand and contract in a more unpredictable fashion, and the rush of blood is associated with a hot flash or flush. These flushes occur especially when you surround yourself with or indulge in triggers like stress (no surprise), hot temperatures, spicy food, caffeine, alcohol, tight synthetic clothing, and smoking. However, triggers aren?t the same for everyone, so keep a diary so you can figure out what you need to avoid like the plague.

Im' sure we turn around the solution.
Garlic seems to help women with PMS and hot flashes. It countains phyto-estrogens.
All the problem is a fluctuation of hormones after orgasm and its return to the normal level, causing effects on neurotransmitters.
The guys taking b3 or other flusher avoid the first step in pois. But it's not sure they have a permanent low level of hormones. This is the difficult point of Pois : an unknow reaction appied to differnt cases.

We need to ask to an andrologist how he is treating andropause's symptoms like hot flashes, low concentration, muscular pains...


There is also this problem of acne. Acne is 100% linked to hormones. So acne after ejaculation is a proof of hormonal fluctuation.
You can read dizains and dizains of testimonies of men complaining about acne after ejaculation. And no doctor anwser ! Doctors don't know how PMS work. But symptoms can be improved by treatmens.
This is an important thing : like PMS we may have not the anwser of the exact Pois mechanism but we have a chance to cure it with meds or other.




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Re: Interesting testimony Depersonalization/Dopamine
« Reply #10 on: June 24, 2014, 06:37:23 AM »
I experience the "too low" symptoms:
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- feel cold (vaso-constriction)
- cognitive troubles (depersonalization, memory , speech...)
- muscular fatigue
- depression, anxiety, lack of motivation

Same here, I'm convinced low dopamine is the biggest problem for me.

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Interesting testimony Depersonalization/Dopamine
« Reply #11 on: March 29, 2015, 09:49:06 PM »
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