Official Desensitization plan Begins!

[Daveman]

My prostate always inflames with POIS, even when I take niacin.

I'm due for a prostate check anyways, but the inflammation is from the testicles down.

How do you know that your prostate inflames?

When you urinate the stream isn't as strong, takes longer to get it out. You may have to squeeze the last little bit out. Also it feels swollen, in a place near the base of the testicles toward the anus.

[Starsky]

Vandemolen what means the dilution 1:1? Pure semen? or for example in 1ml 0,5 of semen and 0,5 of saline?

[Vandemolen]

The last one. One part semen, one part saline.

[fidalgo]

My prostate always inflames with POIS, even when I take niacin.

I'm due for a prostate check anyways, but the inflammation is from the testicles down.

How do you know that your prostate inflames?

When you urinate the stream isn't as strong, takes longer to get it out. You may have to squeeze the last little bit out. Also it feels swollen, in a place near the base of the testicles toward the anus.

I have all of this symptoms. I never thought that this is because of my prostate...

[Vandemolen]

Today I had an injection of 2/1. Two parts of semen.

[Limejuice]

Hey Vandemolen,

Just curious about your desensatization progress with pois symptoms. How do you feel after O?

[Vandemolen]

Limejuice,
I am ok. I still have 70 % less symptoms. The next day I have a half a day of POIS. After dinner I hardly feel the POIS-symptoms. I will abstain for a few weeks to give my prostate the time to heal. And then I will masturb. only a short time. Because now I do that for more then 1 hour. And then you don't know if the back pain is because of POIS or because sitting in the same position for more then 1 hour.

[Limejuice]

Thanks and glad to hear it!

[Dante88]

Limejuice,
I am ok. I still have 70 % less symptoms. The next day I have a half a day of POIS. After dinner I hardly feel the POIS-symptoms. I will abstain for a few weeks to give my prostate the time to heal. And then I will masturb. only a short time. Because now I do that for more then 1 hour. And then you don't know if the back pain is because of POIS or because sitting in the same position for more then 1 hour.

Vandemolen,

I'm glad to hear that you are having success. So you are using "fresh" semen, provided a few hours before the injection, correct? This seems counter-intuitive, since it is equivalent to eating a whole carton of peanut butter (if you are allergic to it) and then have a peanut butter hyposensitzation shot...it kind of defeats the purpose since you are already in a full blown allergic reaction when you get the injection.

Can you give a short summary of your begin treatment date, injection dosage and any commments?

Thanks!

[Vandemolen]

Thanks Limejuice and Dante88.

Dante, they also give injections to people who have hay fever at that moment. There is difference between a normal allergy and an injection. An injection goes straight in your body.

All my treatment details are posted here, with the dosage and all. Just read the whole topic. And if you still have questions I will be happy to answer them.

[Egordon]

Hey seasoned desens patients,

I need some advice. So, I've been getting desens for about 3 or 4 months now but my arm has never reacted post-shot, and i'm beginning to worry that my symptoms won't improve as a result. When I got my allergy test (as i've posted elsewhere), my arm reacted mildly but not until we went ALL THE WAY up to 1:300. But now i'm at 1:100 in my injections and haven't seen so much as a red spot.

I suspect that the original sample that I gave the doctor simply wasn't very potent to start with and has gotten worse as time's progressed. I'm not sure why though. All that I can think of is: 1) it was in a slightly warm car for about an hr as i drove it to the doctor; 2) I O'd at least once the night before, so it may have had less sperm or something. (Because I only O 2 or 3 days a week, I usually try to go at least 2-3 times each day.)

In any case, those of you that have seen improvement because of desens, under what circumstances did you get your sample? Was it completely frozen when you turned it in? Do you give a new one each week? Do you usually abstain before handing it in?

I just want desens to work and have no clue what i'm doing wrong.

[fidalgo]

Hey seasoned desens patients,

I need some advice. So, I've been getting desens for about 3 or 4 months now but my arm has never reacted post-shot, and i'm beginning to worry that my symptoms won't improve as a result. When I got my allergy test (as i've posted elsewhere), my arm reacted mildly but not until we went ALL THE WAY up to 1:300. But now i'm at 1:100 in my injections and haven't seen so much as a red spot.

I suspect that the original sample that I gave the doctor simply wasn't very potent to start with and has gotten worse as time's progressed. I'm not sure why though. All that I can think of is: 1) it was in a slightly warm car for about an hr as i drove it to the doctor; 2) I O'd at least once the night before, so it may have had less sperm or something. (Because I only O 2 or 3 days a week, I usually try to go at least 2-3 times each day.)

In any case, those of you that have seen improvement because of desens, under what circumstances did you get your sample? Was it completely frozen when you turned it in? Do you give a new one each week? Do you usually abstain before handing it in?

I just want desens to work and have no clue what i'm doing wrong.

Egordon, as I understand dessensibilization that is a not problem in you procedure. You have allergy only at 1: 300, so, if you start tha dessensibilization with much more dillution, 1: 100.000, for example, you shouldn't have a reaction. The reason that you are in 1:100 and don't have a reaction is because your dessensibilization is working.

But this is the theory. Van, as I understand, is doing the dessinbilizations with fresh semen. He said that fresh semen works better. I think you, to be sure, must change the sample and give a fresh one to your doctor.

[Egordon]

Hi fidalgo,

I'm sorry if the post was unclear. Although my allergy test indicated that I am allergic at 1:300, my desens started at 1:10,000. That dilution may seem a very low starting point, but Waldinger apparently now starts his patients at 1:3,000, so it's actually not that bad.

Your theory that i'm not reacting because the treatment is working seems somewhat plausible but is completely out of line with what all the other posters have experienced. Many of them were hardcore in POIS even at 1:40,000 (I felt nothing), and have reacted in a serious way at each "step." My complete lack of a reaction thereby indicates that there may be something wrong with my doctor's methodology.

[Ccconfucius]

I started ant 1;40000, but didnt react to 1;4000. and at high concetrations like 1;5 have very small reactions at every shot.

if you are not reacting at super high concentrations then there is something wrong

[fidalgo]

I started ant 1;40000, but didnt react to 1;4000. and at high concetrations like 1;5 have very small reactions at every shot.

if you are not reacting at super high concentrations then there is something wrong

How is your improvement? Compair before the dessenbilization and now...

[Egordon]

Van,

When you say that you use fresh semen, do you mean produced in the doctor's office (or immediately before going)? Or do you produce it the night before? Do you typically freeze or refrigerate it before taking it to the doctor?

Please help me figure out the flaws to our methodology! I'd really like to get positive results from my treatments....

[Vandemolen]

No I produce it at home. The injection is given 1,5 or 2 hours after. But in The Netherlands it's not that warm. If you live in a warm country maybe it's different.

[Dante88]

I have noticed that I have very "foamy" urine after ejaculation. It is a different type of foam than I usually have when urinating...if I leave it in the toilet without flushing it will stay foamy and won't go away...I believe that retrograde ejaculation is the culprit. This would explain what is causing the allergic reaction.

I went to see my allergist yesterday and had a skin ***** test performed. I had a positive reaction to my own semen and the doctor has decided to put me on a strong antihistamine (Zaditen SRO). The doctor is still waiting on the results of my blood test to determine whether or not to perform hypo sensitization therapy.

I have noticed that my symptoms seem to be magnified if I masturbate to pornography as opposed to having sex with my girlfriend or masturbating w/o pornography. I believe that this is due to the increased dopamine consumption correlated with pornography.

To summarize my theory...the allergic reaction interferes with the functioning of the pituitary/hypothalamus..decreasing the amount of dopamine the body is able to produce and release. Pornography uses up the dopamine and POIS makes the body unable to replenish dopamine levels.

I have had other allergic reactions in the past...namely a reaction to the iodine found in some shellfish. The reaction that I had was very similar to what I experience with POIS...reaffirming that for me, POIS is an allergic reaction.

Taking  an antihistamine like zyrtec seems to abate the symptoms somewhat. Also I have been taking Niacinimide recently at roughly 2500 mg. It does seem to help with the symptoms as well...but it doesnt not cure them.

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Tell your doctor to do the desens[itization]!

Vandemolen: Please do not make medical recommendations to other members.

Thank you.

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