Are your eyes floaty after an O / during a POIS episode?

[notmythirdaccount]

Hey guys,

I've noticed that during a POIS episode and after an O, maybe 6-8 hours after my eyes become floaty. The only way I can describe it is that it's difficult to focus on one single spot.

It feels similar to how my eyes feel after a few drinks, but without alcohol.

My eyes would feel out of focus, like my eyelids are open larger than usual, and theres a slight movement when I try to focus on a single target.

[mellivora]

I don't have what you describe. However, I do sometimes seem to get one eye that is slightly blurrier. It seems it can be associated with O but I've never quite tied down whether the correlation is real in a scientific sense. Blurrier vision after O is something that has been mentioned by a few other POIS sufferers over the years.

[Scary sheep]

I get the same feeling as well as blurriness randomly. My eyes feel sort of "sandy" the day after O. I think it may be because of the muscle fatigue I get from pois, which causes the eyelids to be less efficient.

[zeynali900]

Mine doesn't match your description. I get tired and itchy eyes.

[ThisType]

I have trouble locking on someone's eyes when in conversation - like the eyes are defocused  and observing a larger area.  It makes having the conversation even more challenging.  Would that be an accurate characterization of what you're describing?

[sameer7777]

Yes I agree with you on this you are right

[Marcusq]

So an accurate description, the same for me. Even suffering it more in the left eye than the right one

[Unvers]

Same here, more blurry vision, I am already myopic but after orgasm it worsen and feel my eyes tired.

[Warrior]

I experience this as one of my symptoms of food sensitivity (and technically POIS)

Garlic & fenugreek seem to improve this to some degree, but I need to retest. Similar to 'eye pain', although it’s more like the eyes just don’t focus or relax normally upon 1 spot.

https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/symptoms/17796-eye-pain. From the page: Eye pain can affect one or both eyes. You can have eye pain because of things like injuries, inflammation and infections.

Many of my food sensitivity symptoms are very infection-like: muscle weakness, throat fatigue, eye pain - hard to focus as OP says, etc.

It's an odd symptom. OP put it perfectly 'The only way I can describe it is that it's difficult to focus on one single spot.'

I did not experience this symptom on my animal-based protocol eating strict animal-based meals. Ever since I have been experimenting with methylation nutrients and eating more non animal-based foods did this symptom become more common. With that being said, since discovering methylation nutrients I haven't felt like I needed the raw garlic and fenugreek as much. I am going to take these more frequently and see if it fixes this symptom.

[Progecitor]

I experience this as one of my symptoms of food sensitivity (and technically POIS)

Garlic & fenugreek seem to improve this to some degree, but I need to retest. Similar to 'eye pain', although it’s more like the eyes just don’t focus or relax normally upon 1 spot.

https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/symptoms/17796-eye-pain. From the page: Eye pain can affect one or both eyes. You can have eye pain because of things like injuries, inflammation and infections.

Many of my food sensitivity symptoms are very infection-like: muscle weakness, throat fatigue, eye pain - hard to focus as OP says, etc.

It's an odd symptom. OP put it perfectly 'The only way I can describe it is that it's difficult to focus on one single spot.'

I did not experience this symptom on my animal-based protocol eating strict animal-based meals. Ever since I have been experimenting with methylation nutrients and eating more non animal-based foods did this symptom become more common. With that being said, since discovering methylation nutrients I haven't felt like I needed the raw garlic and fenugreek as much. I am going to take these more frequently and see if it fixes this symptom.

I also have this condition. My right eye tends to float outwards whenever I am tired and try to focus on something at close range. As in POIS mode my eyes are tired all the time this happens a lot more. Actually this symptom is called convergence insufficiency which is associated to inflammation and neurodegenerative diseases.

Convergence insufficiency (CI) is a common ocular motility disorder characterized by an insufficient amount of convergence required to achieve and maintain clear, binocular vision at near fixation.
Apart from idiopathic, CI is also associated with number of other diseases and conditions such as: myasthenia gravis, intoxications, infections, inflammations, neurodegenerative diseases (Parkinson's disease, progressive supranuclear palsy and Huntington's chorea), Parinaud syndrome, head trauma and intracranial ischemia.
Although it can be asymptomatic, people suffering from this disorder of oculomotor mobility show symptoms such as: eye strain, blurred vision or horizontal diplopia, asthenopia, reduced concentration, difficulties in performing close-up activities, headaches (mostly after long hours of reading, in the frontal or periocular region), all this leads to reduced academic performance and impairment of the quality of life. The most often, the symptomatology is more pronounced during stress, illness, or lack of sleep.
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&as_ylo=2020&q=convergence+insufficiency+S+Pandilov%2C+I+Isjanovski+-+Macedonian+Journal+of+Anaesthesia&btnG=

Convergence insufficiency is caused by complications coronating eye movements and muscles. Instead of the eyes coming together (converging) to focus on objects close by, one or both eyes point outward.
Because the brain controls all eye movement, damage to the brain is the leading cause of convergence insufficiency. However, the exact cause of this condition remains a mystery.
The working theory among researchers is that neurogenerative disease such as Parkinson’s disease, myasthenia gravis and Alzheimer’s disease in some way cause CI.
https://www.nvisioncenters.com/conditions/convergence-insufficiency/

[Warrior]

I experience this as one of my symptoms of food sensitivity (and technically POIS)

Garlic & fenugreek seem to improve this to some degree, but I need to retest. Similar to 'eye pain', although it’s more like the eyes just don’t focus or relax normally upon 1 spot.

https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/symptoms/17796-eye-pain. From the page: Eye pain can affect one or both eyes. You can have eye pain because of things like injuries, inflammation and infections.

Many of my food sensitivity symptoms are very infection-like: muscle weakness, throat fatigue, eye pain - hard to focus as OP says, etc.

It's an odd symptom. OP put it perfectly 'The only way I can describe it is that it's difficult to focus on one single spot.'

I did not experience this symptom on my animal-based protocol eating strict animal-based meals. Ever since I have been experimenting with methylation nutrients and eating more non animal-based foods did this symptom become more common. With that being said, since discovering methylation nutrients I haven't felt like I needed the raw garlic and fenugreek as much. I am going to take these more frequently and see if it fixes this symptom.

I also have this condition. My right eye tends to float outwards whenever I am tired and try to focus on something at close range. As in POIS mode my eyes are tired all the time this happens a lot more. Actually this symptom is called convergence insufficiency which is associated to inflammation and neurodegenerative diseases.

Convergence insufficiency (CI) is a common ocular motility disorder characterized by an insufficient amount of convergence required to achieve and maintain clear, binocular vision at near fixation.
Apart from idiopathic, CI is also associated with number of other diseases and conditions such as: myasthenia gravis, intoxications, infections, inflammations, neurodegenerative diseases (Parkinson's disease, progressive supranuclear palsy and Huntington's chorea), Parinaud syndrome, head trauma and intracranial ischemia.
Although it can be asymptomatic, people suffering from this disorder of oculomotor mobility show symptoms such as: eye strain, blurred vision or horizontal diplopia, asthenopia, reduced concentration, difficulties in performing close-up activities, headaches (mostly after long hours of reading, in the frontal or periocular region), all this leads to reduced academic performance and impairment of the quality of life. The most often, the symptomatology is more pronounced during stress, illness, or lack of sleep.
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&as_ylo=2020&q=convergence+insufficiency+S+Pandilov%2C+I+Isjanovski+-+Macedonian+Journal+of+Anaesthesia&btnG=

Convergence insufficiency is caused by complications coronating eye movements and muscles. Instead of the eyes coming together (converging) to focus on objects close by, one or both eyes point outward.
Because the brain controls all eye movement, damage to the brain is the leading cause of convergence insufficiency. However, the exact cause of this condition remains a mystery.
The working theory among researchers is that neurogenerative disease such as Parkinson’s disease, myasthenia gravis and Alzheimer’s disease in some way cause CI.
https://www.nvisioncenters.com/conditions/convergence-insufficiency/

Woah thanks for pointing out the correct term. For me, it doesn't really effect my vision but it's definitely unpleasant and distracting. Definitely doesn't feel normal. I took some fenugreek and garlic last night and it definitely seemed to improve it, but it was taken after the sensitivity (food POIS-like symptom) occurred. Not sure if it would work when taken beforehand to prevent the sensitivity.

[Warrior]

I experience this as one of my symptoms of food sensitivity (and technically POIS)

Garlic & fenugreek seem to improve this to some degree, but I need to retest. Similar to 'eye pain', although it’s more like the eyes just don’t focus or relax normally upon 1 spot.

https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/symptoms/17796-eye-pain. From the page: Eye pain can affect one or both eyes. You can have eye pain because of things like injuries, inflammation and infections.

Many of my food sensitivity symptoms are very infection-like: muscle weakness, throat fatigue, eye pain - hard to focus as OP says, etc.

It's an odd symptom. OP put it perfectly 'The only way I can describe it is that it's difficult to focus on one single spot.'

I did not experience this symptom on my animal-based protocol eating strict animal-based meals. Ever since I have been experimenting with methylation nutrients and eating more non animal-based foods did this symptom become more common. With that being said, since discovering methylation nutrients I haven't felt like I needed the raw garlic and fenugreek as much. I am going to take these more frequently and see if it fixes this symptom.

I also have this condition. My right eye tends to float outwards whenever I am tired and try to focus on something at close range. As in POIS mode my eyes are tired all the time this happens a lot more. Actually this symptom is called convergence insufficiency which is associated to inflammation and neurodegenerative diseases.

Convergence insufficiency (CI) is a common ocular motility disorder characterized by an insufficient amount of convergence required to achieve and maintain clear, binocular vision at near fixation.
Apart from idiopathic, CI is also associated with number of other diseases and conditions such as: myasthenia gravis, intoxications, infections, inflammations, neurodegenerative diseases (Parkinson's disease, progressive supranuclear palsy and Huntington's chorea), Parinaud syndrome, head trauma and intracranial ischemia.
Although it can be asymptomatic, people suffering from this disorder of oculomotor mobility show symptoms such as: eye strain, blurred vision or horizontal diplopia, asthenopia, reduced concentration, difficulties in performing close-up activities, headaches (mostly after long hours of reading, in the frontal or periocular region), all this leads to reduced academic performance and impairment of the quality of life. The most often, the symptomatology is more pronounced during stress, illness, or lack of sleep.
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&as_ylo=2020&q=convergence+insufficiency+S+Pandilov%2C+I+Isjanovski+-+Macedonian+Journal+of+Anaesthesia&btnG=

Convergence insufficiency is caused by complications coronating eye movements and muscles. Instead of the eyes coming together (converging) to focus on objects close by, one or both eyes point outward.
Because the brain controls all eye movement, damage to the brain is the leading cause of convergence insufficiency. However, the exact cause of this condition remains a mystery.
The working theory among researchers is that neurogenerative disease such as Parkinson’s disease, myasthenia gravis and Alzheimer’s disease in some way cause CI.
https://www.nvisioncenters.com/conditions/convergence-insufficiency/

I didn't always have these strange eye symptoms and now I believe I have fixed them or at least significantly improved them by taking Vitamin C. Just wanted to let you know. Would be interesting for you to try if you haven't already.

I think these symptoms along with a fatigued throat are clearly reflective of some kind of chronic infection or pathogen, but who knows.

Edit: Definitely haven't fixed it, but it does appear to improve when taking Vitamin C.