Author Topic: Parasites - Cause for POIS?  (Read 7356 times)

Nas

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Re: Parasites - Cause for POIS?
« Reply #20 on: April 09, 2019, 09:47:09 AM »
but I would like to add that I am less inclined to think that it is motivated by an infection. the same thing in the end turns out that I am wrong ..... but POIS is still considered a rare disease and that is because we are few. if the reason was the infection. Why are we so few? Why is not it much more widespread?

And another thing is, because when I was in the past in a long period of abstinence I improved so much? to the point of finding myself pretty well at all?

And coincidentally after that long period, well, I return to feel bad curiously after an emission?.... it would therefore be an infection that wakes up every time there is an emission?

could fit with something latent virus type in the nervous system, yes. but then why are we so few Poisers? the family of herpes viruses is widespread ... it should be for more than just the virus (as a root cause). Genetic propensity should be added? Area of the nervous system where the virus has hidden should be added? .... I'm not saying it's impossible ... but I see it complicated. And only a good research could give some light to this very complex riddle ... I guess....
I agree with everything you said there. POIS seems to be strictly related to sex. That's why semen auto-immunity seems more plausible, since it explains a lot - not everything though.
It still doesn't explain the neuropsychiatric symptoms which I just can't for the love of life seem to find an effective remedy for.

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Re: Parasites - Cause for POIS?
« Reply #21 on: April 09, 2019, 01:45:53 PM »
I agree with swell that the root cause for POIS could be hormonal....

Perfectly one of the possibilities....
I followed that path and I was fortunately successful.
10 years of significant POIS-reduction, treatment consisting of daily (365 days/year) testosterone patches.

TRT must be checked out carefully with your doctor due to fertility, cardiac and other risks.

40+ years of severe 4-days-POIS, married, raised a family, started/ran a business

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Re: Parasites - Cause for POIS?
« Reply #22 on: April 09, 2019, 01:59:31 PM »
Maybe some or many of us are similar in the way our immune systems processed and remembered the infectious antigens?

A past infection would have made the immune cells (for example the B cell antibodies and T cell receptors) remember the surface proteins of the antigen.
Once the immune system has done it's job of memorising the antigen's protein marker, later down the line if any of the proteins in the semen resembles the surface proteins of the antigen, the immune system would attack it instantly because it instantly recognizes that protein.

Regarding fernab's observation that people who had similar infections but do not develop POIS - maybe their immune systems processed the antigen and remembered the antigen's surface protein differently. Or maybe those kinds of proteins just don't exist in their semen.

There are studies which show that many people infected with EBV do not develop multiple sclerosis, but 100% of the patients suffering from multiple sclerosis have EBV antibodies. It's still ongoing research. You can google this.
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Re: Parasites - Cause for POIS?
« Reply #23 on: April 09, 2019, 03:56:09 PM »
There is a well established theory in the medical field that auto-immune diseases develop after an infection causes the immune system to not distinguish native protein structures from foreign ones. So the infection would instigate POIS.

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Re: Parasites - Cause for POIS?
« Reply #24 on: April 10, 2019, 12:45:23 AM »
Moreover medical research confirms that high testosterone can dampen the immune response.
I am no scientist, but it could be the reason why Demo's TRT therapy works for him.

https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2013/12/in-men-high-testosterone-can-mean-weakened-immune-response-study-finds.html

And the reverse can occur too i.e. immune responses can affect the hormones and autonomic nervous system. There are studies that show up in google which confirm this. 
 
« Last Edit: April 10, 2019, 12:49:13 AM by kingfisher »

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Re: Parasites - Cause for POIS?
« Reply #25 on: July 29, 2020, 02:09:50 PM »
Just wanted to copy over my post here since it seems relevant with regarding to having the wrong gut microbiota..

Here is my update :-)

I had my second Vitamin C IV (7.5g like last time), this time combined with Vitamin Bs.. This time I didn't have the happy-content afterglow feeling afterwards, possibly because there was no deficiency anymore, just the other effects. Or maybe the Vitamin Bs mask it somehow.
On the day after, again I had some die-off feelings. (which is good!)

I also started with the Rizol oil therapy. As I wrote, it's about ozenoated oil going into your body (together with the essential oils) and giving off the surplus O and killing of pathogens by that. It seems to be a common practice for the "healing practitioners" in Germany, maybe not much known in other countries. ("Rizol ?l nach Dr. Steidl").
Those English resources might help: https://www.aloeride.com/the-use-and-usefulness-of-para-rizol-gamma-and-para-rizol-zeta/ and https://www.betterhealthguy.com/images/stories/PDF/LymeProtocol08.pdf
The first drop was really intense. I could feel weird shivers and weird feelins in the gut immediatly. Both from the strong essential oil smell and maybe from the ozone. Now after some days of usage, I can easily handle more drops. Possibly because the drops don't hit the gut pathogens anymore, but have to be absorbed first and need to work in the body.

Related: What I found interesting is that the Italians see ozone therapy as cure for CFS.
https://www.pagepressjournals.org/index.php/ozone/article/view/7812/7465
Note that this is about a dialysis on your own blood, so it is much much more invasive (and stronger) than just swallowing an oil.
Something similar explained in the blog here: https://www.elizabethrider.com/my-epstein-barr-treatment-natural-healing-protocol/
With unlimited money and limited patience, I'd the stuff there too.



She also thinks my gut has some malicious bacteria

To clarify on this, I asked "Assuming there is malicious bacteria/etc inside me, are they just in the gut?" she said definitely not, they can be anywhere, for example in the liver. And it doesn't have to be bacteria, it can be any other form too. In her view, everybody has a certain load of pathogens and it's the question of how/if the body can handle it. Same for having a certain maximum load of heavy metals that we can detox.

As of orgasms, to be honest I haven't tried many but from the ones I've tried I think the day-after symptoms are better. No headache. More stable mood. Quite a bit more energy. But I'm still not completely healed so I'm also not expecting too much yet.
It's also interesting to not have joint pain anymore.

(Also with big time distance from the oil, I'm taking a daily yoghurt. Seems to help also with general issues keeping some bad guys in control.)

(Yes I know that Herpes are virusses and I'm mixing things together here, but I really liked nanna1's term:
III. Broad Spectrum Pathogen load reduction
So I'm happy both the Rizol Oil and IV Vitamin C are broad in that regard.
 
If my post sounds too enthusiastic and optimist, don't worry I'll edit and correct it if I change my opinion in some weeks.

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Re: Parasites - Cause for POIS?
« Reply #26 on: November 04, 2020, 05:21:04 PM »
There is a well established theory in the medical field that auto-immune diseases develop after an infection causes the immune system to not distinguish native protein structures from foreign ones. So the infection would instigate POIS.
Question is how to tell immunity to not attack body's own tissue?