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Mr Raba

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L Arginine working GREAT
« on: August 13, 2012, 10:31:12 PM »
Thanks to an old friend of mine who is now a neuro surgeon i tried arginine.

It help me tremendously. All symptoms.  I took L-arginine 500 mg 2 per day far apart on day one after o.  Most of symptoms improved drastically.  My concentration awesome after second dose.   Anxiety gone.  He gave it to me for CFS.  Did not tell him I had POIS too.

Most symptoms improved some with first dose but I felt the big  difference with the second one. 

I did some research on arginine.  It is a component of seminal fluid.  Might explain why the more Os the worse I felt.  This stuff is great.  Once in 20 yearS something that can make a big difference.  I will let you know how it goes ON INFAMOUS DAY 2.


He told me do not take two.  Just one and see how it goes.  But after o I was feeling you know like which truck run me over, and decided to take another one at bedtime.  Wow.  It felt great.

Arginine is used for collagen to help with skin, ducts i GUESS.  I am hoping it seals the leak of semen into the body in the long term.}
I think it is the nitric oxide that makes me feel so much better in the short term.

Something that works.  Wow. 


Simultaneous onset of CFS and POIS since Feb 1993. Married since 1989.

Helped by Immunocal (I explained how to take in previous posts).  Some relief on day one and day two.  It affects neurotransmitters.

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Re: L Arginine working GREAT
« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2012, 04:53:17 AM »
Thanks to an old friend of mine who is now a neuro surgeon i tried arginine.

It help me tremendously. All symptoms.  I took L-arginine 500 mg 2 per day far apart on day one after o.  Most of symptoms improved drastically.  My concentration awesome after second dose.   Anxiety gone.  He gave it to me for CFS.  Did not tell him I had POIS too.

Most symptoms improved some with first dose but I felt the big  difference with the second one. 

I did some research on arginine.  It is a component of seminal fluid.  Might explain why the more Os the worse I felt.  This stuff is great.  Once in 20 yearS something that can make a big difference.  I will let you know how it goes ON INFAMOUS DAY 2.


He told me do not take two.  Just one and see how it goes.  But after o I was feeling you know like which truck run me over, and decided to take another one at bedtime.  Wow.  It felt great.

Arginine is used for collagen to help with skin, ducts i GUESS.  I am hoping it seals the leak of semen into the body in the long term.}
I think it is the nitric oxide that makes me feel so much better in the short term.

Something that works.  Wow. 




Great idea. I knew it was in the supplements I was taking but I wasn't taking anything like that dose. I've heard that acetyl-l carnitine combined with arginine is supposed to be a very powerful memory booster. These are sometimes compounded and marketed as ArginoCarn. Certainly, my experience is that taking high protein algae with acetyl l-carnitine works even better than huperzine.

What does your neurologist friend think POIS might be? L-argingine isn't a specific treatment as far as I know unless the illness is MELAS or some form of erectile dysfunction (which oddly enough can also be treated by prostaglandin PDG1) And if it was MELAS then it's curious that animus seems to have made a recovery.

What would be really interesting is if there was some way for each of us to get a genetic test done to see if we have any common genetic defects or anomalies. Perhaps this could be part of the NORD research.

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« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2012, 11:24:03 PM »
I will be writing a huge post on nitric oxide tomorrow... I'm glad to hear about your success with L Arginine, I was hoping to see this.  I have read enough about nitric oxide that I think we need to be having a larger discussion.  I will pick some up tomorrow myself!
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« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2012, 05:03:10 AM »
I will be writing a huge post on nitric oxide tomorrow... I'm glad to hear about your success with L Arginine, I was hoping to see this.  I have read enough about nitric oxide that I think we need to be having a larger discussion.  I will pick some up tomorrow myself!

Looking forward to it. I've read studies showing that ginkgo boosts NO and this is one of the mechanisms it uses to improves blood flow.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17497242
There's other stuff in it that's useful such as quercetin and bilobalides.  I would exercise some caution in using multiple products that raise NO at the same time as it can reduce blood pressure.

As soon as my acetyl-carnitine runs out I'm going to replace it with a carnitine complex with taurine and arginine. Although, it doesn't really contain either of those things as it's a collection of new synthetic compounds. It's very expensive but the supplement is "all in one" so I'll give it a go. I have minimal POIS effects now but I still have the twitchy eye and a sense of bewilderment that I went through the past few years in such a stupor. That's POIS for you :)

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« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2012, 07:41:26 PM »
Nitric oxide (NO) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_functions_of_nitric_oxide

The discovery of the biological functions of nitric oxide in the 1980s came as a complete surprise and caused quite a stir. Nitric oxide was named "Molecule of the Year" in 1992 by the journal Science, a Nitric Oxide Society was founded, and a scientific journal devoted entirely to nitric oxide was established. The Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine in 1998 was awarded to Ferid Murad, Robert F. Furchgott, and Louis Ignarro for the discovery of the signalling properties of nitric oxide.  It is estimated that yearly about 3,000 scientific articles are published on the biological roles of nitric oxide.

NO has been shown to regulate and mediate the nervous, cardiovascular AND immune systems.  NO is a vasodiaolator, which have been our friends so far (fenugreek, niacin, ginko biloba).  It also has even been shown to be involved in forming an erection:

"Nitric oxide (NO) is believed to be the main vasoactive nonadrenergic, noncholinergic neurotransmitter and chemical mediator of penile erection." http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17170606

Nitric Oxide (NO) is of critical importance as a mediator of vasodilation in blood vessels. From Wikipedia: "It is induced by several factors, and once synthesized by eNOS it results in phosphorylation of several proteins that cause smooth muscle relaxation."  I find this particularly interesting since orgasm relaxes so much of your body.

NO is even a neurotransmitter, still not totally understood how far reaching it's effects are.  Unlike most neurotransmitters, the nitric oxide molecule can diffuse widely and readily enters cells.

NO is used in the immune system.  Macrophages, certain cells of the immune system, produce nitric oxide in order to kill invading bacteria.

Other importance: People with diabetes usually have lower levels of nitric oxide than patients without diabetes.  Diminished supply of nitric oxide can lead to vascular damage, such as endothelial dysfunction and vascular inflammation. Vascular damage can lead to decreased blood flow to the extremities.
http://www.nfb.org/Images/nfb/Publications/vod/vod212/vodspr0613.htm

Here's a connection to our "brain fog":
Recent data suggest that NO is also involved in the regulation of the cerebral circulation. Thus, NO participants in the maintenance of resting cerebrovascular tone and may play an important role in selected vasodilator responses of the cerebral circulation. Furthermore, evidence has been presented suggesting that NO participates in the mechanisms of cerebral ischemic damage.  http://www.nature.com/jcbfm/journal/v14/n2/abs/jcbfm199425a.html


What got me most interested in making this post was after reading this webpage: "Could Nitric Oxide deficiency be the cause of your health challenges? | Dr. Arturo M. Volpe"
http://doctorvolpe.com/diet/nitric-oxide-deficiency/

"NO is produced in the inner layer of the arteries called endothelial layer where it promotes relaxation of the artery wall, thus increasing blood flow and regulating blood pressure. It also acts as a powerful antioxidant and controls inflammation now known to be at the root of heart disease and many other health problems, including cancer and dementia."

There is a enough of a chance that nitric oxide deficiency is a factor in POIS.  Thankfully, there is a way to test if you are definicent.  They provide a link to a kit for test strips that can show your levels.  They have also created a supplement, "Neo40", that can significantly raise NO levels if you are indeed deficient.

His reference to the book The Nitric Oxide (NO) Solution also has me interested.  The author, Nathan Bryan, PhD of the University of Texas Health Science Center based in the Houston Medical Center has been focusing his research on NO. Among other things, he studied herbs used traditionally in Chinese and other forms of medicine for heart disease and discovered that all of these herbs had one thing in common: they all raised NO levels in the body, some by as much as 100 or more times.  I will be ordering it shortly.

In short, I'm really excited about this.  Nitric oxide is so new that disorders involving it may not be totally understood.  I'm going to get some strips and possibly the supplement too, and I want to write the author of this book and see if he is as convinced as I am that NO and POIS are connected.
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« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2012, 09:40:11 PM »
Thanks, Nightingale! Levitra has - at times - in combo with TRT, helped my POIS - possibly by stimulating my NO production. We have had many previous NO discussions here:
http://www.google.com/search?q=nitric+oxide+pois+site:http://thenakedscientists.com&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari
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10 years of significant POIS-reduction, treatment consisting of daily (365 days/year) testosterone patches.

TRT must be checked out carefully with your doctor due to fertility, cardiac and other risks.

40+ years of severe 4-days-POIS, married, raised a family, started/ran a business

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« Reply #6 on: August 16, 2012, 04:22:38 PM »
I started taking L - Arginine yesterday, taking 1000mg in the morning, and 500 in the evening.  I went back to 500 this morning.  Something weird is happening, I feel some anxiety symptoms.  I'm going to approach this with caution, as I'm on other meds that are giving me issues that could be interacting with the increased NO production.  Namely lithium...
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« Reply #7 on: August 16, 2012, 05:51:55 PM »
I came across this company run by a doctor who is a leading researcher on nitric oxide.  There are some great videos on their website (with advertisements for their NO product) that explain how NO is a really important molecule for your overall health.  The first video illustrates a point that I want to explore with you guys:

http://www.neogenis.com/information-videos/
Nitric Oxide is a critical vasodilator, and that's a type of actor that has helped us most mysteriously with the niacin flush.  I am starting to find out that I have circulation issues:  my doctor recently diagnosed me with Raynaud's disease.  It's a condition that causes some areas of your body ? such as your fingers, toes, the tip of your nose and your ears ? to feel numb and cool in response to cold temperatures or stress. In Raynaud's disease, smaller arteries that supply blood to your skin narrow, limiting blood circulation to affected areas.  I wonder if my circulation issues also include more vital areas of my body like my brain.

Does the niacin flush immitate the job of NO?  Does it conserve NO by using other methods of vasodilation (the PGD2 reaction that is the source of the flush?)?  And ultimately, is there something keeping NO from doing it's job?  Am I deficient?

And on the issue of L-Arginine, it seems that most people as they age lose the ability to converit it into NO.  Dr. Bryan, the guy heading this company up has a video explaining that and why his product is different.   L-arginine apparently does NOT effectively restore Nitric Oxide levels in adults over 40, and his product does not use L-arginine to create NO.  Pretty interesting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkmFs38Bm6w
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« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2012, 06:07:32 PM »
I tried l-arginine 500mg per day some months ago during a coule of week without any success

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« Reply #9 on: August 16, 2012, 07:50:06 PM »
It turns out there are other ways to supplement for nitric oxide (one of the main reasons to take l-arginine)

Hawthorn (an herb) and beet root (pill or liquid extract) both promote NO, in addition to l-citrulline.  I will be trying these products, but I'm also going to order test strips from that company to measure my NO levels, and see how supplementation effects them.
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« Reply #10 on: August 21, 2012, 08:57:22 AM »
mrraba- it's been over a week since your first post on L Arginine - Is it still working for you?

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« Reply #11 on: November 26, 2012, 05:16:03 AM »
Arginine lowers ammonia levels. In the body, ammonia is also lowered by BH4. Arginine might provide temporary relief of high ammonia levels for people with low levels of tetra hydro biopterin (BH4). This can be caused by insufficient methylfolate (MTHFR mutations) and perhaps insufficient NADH which is an alternative route from qBH2 to BH4 (also known as BH4 recycling). Insufficient NADH levels could be the result of a mitochondrial dysfunction but who knows. Some people believe that may cause disease, some think that could be the result of diseases / bacterial infection and other researchers will suggest that the root cause is methylation inefficiencies which makes the body unable to fight off a bacterial infection in the first place. Who is correct? I don't know and judging by the amount of syndromes with cognitive dysfunctions, immunological weakness and fatigue it seems that there's no medical consensus & lots of sick people out there.

No easy answers to lots of questions.


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Re: L Arginine working GREAT
« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2014, 09:01:28 PM »
Sorry for desapearing for so long.  Well day two did not go as wel. felt weird and got concerned
that I could get in trouble. I felt physically not well on day two   Different from usual.
But after reading your replies I wonder if it work for any of you.
Simultaneous onset of CFS and POIS since Feb 1993. Married since 1989.

Helped by Immunocal (I explained how to take in previous posts).  Some relief on day one and day two.  It affects neurotransmitters.

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« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2014, 09:23:39 PM »
Sorry for desapearing for so long.  Well day two did not go as wel. felt weird and got concerned
that I could get in trouble. I felt physically not well on day two   Different from usual.
But after reading your replies I wonder if it work for any of you.
Simultaneous onset of CFS and POIS since Feb 1993. Married since 1989.

Helped by Immunocal (I explained how to take in previous posts).  Some relief on day one and day two.  It affects neurotransmitters.

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« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2014, 09:56:13 PM »
I tried l-arginine for couple of days. I could feel it because it wired me up and kept me from sleeping if i use it to close to bedtime but it did not do anything for pois.