Author Topic: People who (claim) to have solved POIS  (Read 3117 times)

marrtintintin

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People who (claim) to have solved POIS
« on: March 27, 2020, 05:26:29 AM »
I’ve recently watched two yt videos that claim to have solved POIS

https://youtu.be/t87dsMDXPZ4
The first one is about a guy who claims to have auto-cured himself after years of abstinence. This is probably too much from me, and also, I don’t trust the guy

https://youtu.be/ISnnag8UOGw
The second video claims to have solved pois by “resetting his gut”. His method is the following: eating boiled veggies for a week and after this, introducing a hosepipe into his anus and pouring water into his stomach for 30-60 min (Idk the technical terms); in this way, he claims having eliminated All bacteria in his gut. And so, he takes a probiotic to reintroduce bacteria into his stomach. After two days, he’s a new man.
This is something that I consider trying. However, I am sure that people will have something to say about this—because (in my eyes) the technique couldn’t be any riskier. Does anyone consider trying it?
« Last Edit: March 28, 2020, 06:56:31 PM by marrtintintin »
Thank you community! I am no longer alone, with “unreal” symptoms.
I have hypothyroidism & constipation (toilet every 3 days or more). Worst constipations = more pois, & lots of mucus in the stools, or just mucus coming out.
Solutions: testing Urine therapy by John W. armstrong & @Iwillbeatthis

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Re: People who (claim) to have solved POIS
« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2020, 07:41:18 AM »
Does anyone know a method that accomplishes a similar result as the second video? But without being so dangerous (I understand that getting a shower into your anus for around 40 mins is quite dangerous)
Thank you community! I am no longer alone, with “unreal” symptoms.
I have hypothyroidism & constipation (toilet every 3 days or more). Worst constipations = more pois, & lots of mucus in the stools, or just mucus coming out.
Solutions: testing Urine therapy by John W. armstrong & @Iwillbeatthis

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Re: People who (claim) to have solved POIS
« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2020, 10:50:59 AM »
There are a handful of posts throughout this forum about gut health and colon enemas (even coffee enemas) as part of a solution.

Coffee enemas and gut heath are also linked to ways to cure other autoimmune issues like chronic fatigue, fibromyalgia, and Lyme (which share many overlapping symptoms as POIS).

Google around and you will see that on other websites, blogs, and forums related to autoimmune conditions.

I do personally believe this to some degree, as hormonal and immunity problems tend to start in the gut, and an infected gut is a trigger for many autoimmune conditions that cause your immune system to malfunction.

I only developed POIS as of last year, and I do believe it?s related to my gut health, my immunity heath, and my hormonal balance, as well as viral loads and / or build up of toxins.

I am currently working with ParsleyHealth.com (Functional medicine) to do a handful of blood work to try and get to the root cause of what is triggering my symptoms.

I started a handful of vitamins, supplements, and probiotics to heal my gut and improve my micro flora. I?ve considered starting daily enemas, though I do think the coffee enemas may be too dangerous.

I?ve read that POIS has been cured for some simply by removing key areas that were causing chronic infection (like wisdom teeth), so this leads me to believe infection and the focus of your immune system plays a huge role in how your body deals with the flood of hormones released after orgasm.

The second video is likely a result of curing gut infections (like SIBO) and the first video perhaps waiting enough time for the gut to heal itself, or for hormones to rebalance. The guy who went hard mode for 4 years noted he also got off of alcohol, so he may have been dealing with a dysfunctional central nervous system as well, that had upregulated to an abnormal level of dopamine / GABA in the brain. 4 years may have rebalanced his neurotransmitters to a healthy baseline and healed hi myelin sheath to avoid shock damage from the surge of orgasm.

My thought is POIS could also be similar to neurological withdrawal effects experienced by those detoxing from alcohol / benzodiazepines, as the withdrawal symptoms are also very similar (pain, depression, anxiety, insomnia).

I am personally also going hard mode for a while to see if it will help, as I am recovering from two decades of daily porn addiction that escalated out of control.
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Re: People who (claim) to have solved POIS
« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2020, 07:09:48 PM »
Hi Millstone, thanks for your thoughtful answer to the topic And for looking at both videos:

You bring a very good insight about the link between pois and chronic infection.
Since I watched the second video, I realised that my pois may have been caused by antibiotics. Why do you say that you believe this to some degree (that Gut health might be At the root of the problem for some people)?
*please, correct me if I haven’t understood you well
I think that you are very right when you say that POIS may be caused by chronic infections, but then why wouldn’t the gut itself be at the root of the problem?
I am asking this, because if I am considering antivbiotics as the cause of my unhelathy gut and as the cause of my pois, then I want to know if by resetting my gut I will get rid of pois.
*Ofc we can’t know for certain, but I want to know what you say about this, because I appreciate your insights. Thank you

Also, I am considering to go to a homeopath, maybe they will have a suggestion about this thing of resetting your gut. And good luck with Parsleyhealth, are they any homeopatic?


« Last Edit: March 28, 2020, 07:18:56 PM by marrtintintin »
Thank you community! I am no longer alone, with “unreal” symptoms.
I have hypothyroidism & constipation (toilet every 3 days or more). Worst constipations = more pois, & lots of mucus in the stools, or just mucus coming out.
Solutions: testing Urine therapy by John W. armstrong & @Iwillbeatthis

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Re: People who (claim) to have solved POIS
« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2020, 08:48:06 AM »
ParsleyHealth.com is considered ?functional medicine? which has its roots in the approach established by Dr. Mark Hyman to look at the body as one whole connected system and identify root causes to chronic illnesses. Much of today?s modern medicine revolves around the idea that practitioners focus on certain isolated systems (cardio, gastrointestinal, urology, etc). Functional medicine looks at all of it together and generally focuses on natural ways to heal (diet, supplements, hormonal balance, lifestyle).

I?m not too familiar with homeopathy (both are considered ?alternative medicine?). It they may also understand gut heath is linked to body alignment.

I?m honestly considering to look into Ayurvedic medicine as well (Ancient traditional medicine from India). I?m pretty desperate at this point to get my life back.

In regards to gut health vs. antibiotics, it?s well known that when taking strong antibiotics, or taking them from a very long / extended duration, they can wipe out your guy?s microbiome including the beneficial flora inside. Many beneficial flora are important for things like vitamin / nutrient absorption and manufacturing your neuro transmitters. Losing those key processes can lead to imbalance, chronic illness, or other issues like depression / anxiety / fatigue.

The part I am not sure of is the link between gut health and chronic infection. They may be two independent issues, or there may be a direct link between gut health and the immune system as well. A poor gut may also lead to a compromised immune system. A compromised immune system along with a chronic infection may be operating at sub-standard performance, as it is focusing all healing resources on fighting the infection and nothing else.

In my own case, I noticed POIS develop after several issues happened all at once:

* food poisoning that led to a dose of strong broad-spectrum antibiotics (bactrim)
* abruptly stopping omeprazole after a decade of use (proton pump inhibitor) that likely changed my gut flora and / or histamine receptors (related to Nanna1?s evaluation of histamine receptors and the POIS cascade)
* radically changing my diet to a much cleaner diet
* pretty bad 6 month run of dangerous edging sessions to pornography (3 hours at a time). I?m recently thinking that the constant blood pressure change may have also caused ?balloon damage? to some of my veins. A CT Scan from July had notes that I have an ?engorged IVC and hepatic veins?. There is a comment somewhere on this forum from Nanna1 that talks about balloon damage to blood vessels, and how it could up-regulate a1a receptors, which leads to the POIS cascade (sorry I am on my phone and can?t find it to source it). This alone could have caused my POIS problem.

Because some of these things seem so unrelated, it?s very hard to pinpoint my own reasons for developing POIS. But along with POIS, I?ve developed a whole slew of other problems including anxiety, depression, a clinical diagnosis of bipolar disorder (never used to be this way), ADD concentration problems, and a run-away ?fight or flight? response that happens with triggers like alcohol, too much caffeine, and too much sugar, to name a few. I think high histamine foods are also a trigger now (like pork). Perhaps I?ve always had some of these problems and they were masked / controlled through pornography addiction and / or poor diet. Perhaps many of them manifested because I am going through withdrawal symptoms of stopping porn and resetting my neurotransmitter levels.

Anyway - in your case, if the only factor that set everything off was taking antibiotics, then it?s likely the antibiotics changed your gut flora for the worst. Supplementing with the right probiotics, diet, and lifestyle (and perhaps the enemas) might actually be a cure for you over time?

A question would be - why did you take the antibiotics in the first place?

Illness is usually triggered by chronic stress. There may have been other factors leading up to POIS as well that caused the cascade to start happening.

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Re: People who (claim) to have solved POIS
« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2020, 12:57:07 PM »
Marrtintintin I would see a functional medicine doctor instead of a homeopath, I see one at the London clinic of nutrition in  the Uk who's good. Functional medicine doctors understand how these complex chronic diseases work ie: chronic fatigue, lyme, fibromyalgia, hormonal issues, Gut issues.

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Re: People who (claim) to have solved POIS
« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2020, 05:23:28 PM »
Iwillbeatthis,

What is your functional doctor telling you in terms of what may be causing your symptoms and triggers?

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Re: People who (claim) to have solved POIS
« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2020, 01:22:05 AM »
I might have a different perspective on POIS, having treated my own, as well I appreciate the approach functional medicine takes vs the modern medicine.  Having said that I am also weary of functional medicine practitioners since they just love to make tall claims and not knowing much, contrary to MD's who just dont like to do anything except except refer you to a Psychiatrist :)

Ironically, having been in extreme pain and suffering from POIS for most of my life, I today consider POIS as a "gift".  I believe it is our bodies hormetic "protection-mode" process.  I believe we POIS'ers have certain genes turned-on due our childhood traumatic experiences (in particular age 0 to 7).  So we have 2 solutions:

a) come out of this protection-mode
b) "leverage" this protection-mode to further our health.

The solution to a is therapeutic LSD.  While I am very tempted but I have not tried it :)  In reality, I haven't ever tried alcohol or smoke so trying LSD would require to muster a lot of courage.

Which leaves us with option b.  As they say, what doesn't kill you, makes you stronger.  Leveraging the adversity we have deeply imprinted in our brains, we can actually enjoy an extra long and healthy life by adhering to a super healthy lifestyle, and that in my understanding depends on how old you are or have regressed in your life.  If you are still in some baseline good shape (i.e. no heart-disease etc), you should:

1. Engage in "vigorous" exercise.  Though dont kill yourself :)
2. Feed your "cells".  Eat lots of healthy fats (Monounsaturated and Polyunsaturated) - cold pressed, cholesterol, which is the mother of most hormones and is the outershell membrane for our cells and importantly strengthens the endothelial layer which in POIS'ers during their early life is very thin, subjecting us to pathogen infiltrations.  Decrease carbohydrates, abstain from sugar, and eat modest proteins.  Slowly and steadily you will see your over health increae as well POIS become very manageable.  And the best thing is, you will never want to get rid of POIS, because POIS is really our friend, little do we know and blamed it for our failures.  For the last 8-10 months I have been POIS free, except one or two misses which I on purpose have experienced for the sake of experiencing. 
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POIS Free, 2+ yrs (occasional/predictive lapses)
Pois symptoms: Peripheral (Skin: Urticaria, dryness, pale blotchy skin), Exasperation of: [Nerve weakness, Muscle weakness + Mental (CNS: Brain Fog, Irritation, Isolation, Speech lethargy, Anxiety)].
Other conditions: ASD, ADD, GA

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Re: People who (claim) to have solved POIS
« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2020, 02:28:01 PM »

Ironically, having been in extreme pain and suffering from POIS for most of my life, I today consider POIS as a "gift".  I believe it is our bodies hormetic "protection-mode" process.  I believe we POIS'ers have certain genes turned-on due our childhood traumatic experiences (in particular age 0 to 7). 

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Slowly and steadily you will see your over health increae as well POIS become very manageable.  And the best thing is, you will never want to get rid of POIS, because POIS is really our friend, little do we know and blamed it for our failures.  For the last 8-10 months I have been POIS free, except one or two misses which I on purpose have experienced for the sake of experiencing.

This is an interesting take, which I appreciate.

I agree with much of this, and I personally believe there is correlation to chronic stress, limbic system impairment, and the health of the sufferer being so drained that he is not able to withstand the flood of hormones released during arousal / orgasm.

I agree the recovery path takes time and should focus on health / nutrition / sleep.

Did you have POIS symptoms since first orgasm, or did it manifest later in life?

What is your frequency now of orgasm that helps keep the POIS cascade in check?

From my perspective, my issues only manifested last year, which I correlate to chronic stress activation + sexual exhaustion.

I've come to terms that I was addicted to porn for a long, long time, and it only escalated over time. It was used to manage anxiety, but the anxiety got worse towards the end, and eventually I burned out my HPA-Axis and my liver function and hormone production is now too weak to keep homeostasis after orgasm. I've likely primed and kindled my dopamine and opioid receptors in the brain, and they need time to heal and up-regulate to a normal baseline.

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Re: People who (claim) to have solved POIS
« Reply #9 on: April 26, 2020, 03:46:18 AM »
Since when?
I had POIS the day I developed awareness of my self and body, around age 21.  I have had a decade of sleepless nights trying to only find if what name of what i was suffering from till one night when my usual searches landed me to this very pois forum.  And at first quite in disbelief at the discovery, but Quantum here on this forrum quite quickly confirmed my diagnosis as a POISer :)  So the short story to your question, I believe I had POIS right from the start, but I only realized at around 21, that there is something seriously wrong going on when ejaculation occurs. 

Frequency?
I have to confess, I experience guilt for it, but my frequency of orgasms and ejaculation (which I differentiate as distinct) has been quite high.  I orgasm liberally with no limits on count, roughly 5-6 times/day (since I have never experienced POIS with orgasm only) but with ejaculation it is a different story.  I used to experience a nasty full 7 day Pois, but now I ejaculate daily or sometime once every other day and control all my symptoms (peripheral/skin and CNS).  I am these days testing my tolerance, which is 1-2 ejaculations at a time keep me fine, but the moment I over-engage, like 4-5 in a shorter span of time like 5-6 hours, I do fall hard in full-blown POIs flareup.  Though fortunately even my full-blown POIS flareups, I can now resolve in 4-5 days (vs the older 7 day timelines I used to experience).  For some weird reasons, I sometime miss experiencing POIS and so over-indulge in ejaculations just for the sake of experiencing Pois, specially the whole body aches.

Chronic Stress?
Chronic stress is certainly harmful and one that I experience a lot.  Battling that is my next endeavor.  Best wishes, keep learning, life is a mystery.

This is an interesting take, which I appreciate.

I agree with much of this, and I personally believe there is correlation to chronic stress, limbic system impairment, and the health of the sufferer being so drained that he is not able to withstand the flood of hormones released during arousal / orgasm.

I agree the recovery path takes time and should focus on health / nutrition / sleep.

Did you have POIS symptoms since first orgasm, or did it manifest later in life?

What is your frequency now of orgasm that helps keep the POIS cascade in check?

From my perspective, my issues only manifested last year, which I correlate to chronic stress activation + sexual exhaustion.

I've come to terms that I was addicted to porn for a long, long time, and it only escalated over time. It was used to manage anxiety, but the anxiety got worse towards the end, and eventually I burned out my HPA-Axis and my liver function and hormone production is now too weak to keep homeostasis after orgasm. I've likely primed and kindled my dopamine and opioid receptors in the brain, and they need time to heal and up-regulate to a normal baseline.
POIS Free, 2+ yrs (occasional/predictive lapses)
Pois symptoms: Peripheral (Skin: Urticaria, dryness, pale blotchy skin), Exasperation of: [Nerve weakness, Muscle weakness + Mental (CNS: Brain Fog, Irritation, Isolation, Speech lethargy, Anxiety)].
Other conditions: ASD, ADD, GA