Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (P.O.I.S.)

POIS Cause/Treatment Discussions => Hormonal Causes and Treatments => Topic started by: berlin1984 on May 10, 2020, 02:31:09 PM

Title: High Prolactine / low Progesteron? Traditional Herb Vitex agnus-castus
Post by: berlin1984 on May 10, 2020, 02:31:09 PM
I believe this is just one factor involved, not a root cause or or cure all. Also it's possibly only for lowering symptoms.
(Note: if you think herb's are bs, just remember that aspirin was discovered from Willow plants https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_aspirin )

In a lot of test results posted here on the forum, high prolactine is mentioned.
Prolactine is inversely corelated(?) to dopamine (TBD: insert study)
Prolactine is raised after orgasm. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16095799 (higher after masturbation, possibly a reason the nofap crowd detests masturbation vs sex EDIT: Thanks for pointing out)

The herb Vitex agnus-castus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitex_agnus-castus ("also called vitex, chaste tree (or chastetree), chasteberry, Abraham's balm, lilac chastetree, or monk's pepper") can (in higher doses) inhibit Prolactine. In lower doses it actually makes Prolactine more pronounced.
The English Wikipedia page is unfortunately not as detailed as the German one on this.

In Germany, this herb is actually used to treat PMS and to increase chances of pregnancy. One reason is that it is supposed to also increase Progesteron. I see in the forum here that Progesteron is used as POIS cure. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/329001362_Improved_progesterone_levels_and_pregnancy_following_vitex_agnus-castus_Chaste_tree_supplementation_in_a_case_of_recurrent_pregnancy_loss_A_case_report

Addendum: There is other herbs popular in Germany for female health and progesteorne: Alchemilla (Lady's mantle) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alchemilla has ingredients similar to Progesterone as far as I understand it.
Title: Re: High Prolactine / low Progesteron? Traditional Herb Vitex agnus-castus
Post by: swell on June 18, 2020, 01:57:37 PM
Great info berlin.  I think I have some genetic SNP also i.e. propensity for higher prolactin.  Any common compounds that lower it potently?

I believe this is just one factor involved, not a root cause or or cure all. Also it's possibly only for lowering symptoms.
(Note: if you think herb's are bs, just remember that aspirin was discovered from Willow plants https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_aspirin )

In a lot of test results posted here on the forum, high prolactine is mentioned.
Prolactine is inversely corelated(?) to dopamine (TBD: insert study)
Prolactine is raised after orgasm. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16095799 (higher after masturbation, possibly a reason the nofap crowd detests masturbation vs sex)

The herb Vitex agnus-castus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitex_agnus-castus ("also called vitex, chaste tree (or chastetree), chasteberry, Abraham's balm, lilac chastetree, or monk's pepper") can (in higher doses) inhibit Prolactine. In lower doses it actually makes Prolactine more pronounced.
The English Wikipedia page is unfortunately not as detailed as the German one on this.

In Germany, this herb is actually used to treat PMS and to increase chances of pregnancy. One reason is that it is supposed to also increase Progesteron. I see in the forum here that Progesteron is used as POIS cure. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/329001362_Improved_progesterone_levels_and_pregnancy_following_vitex_agnus-castus_Chaste_tree_supplementation_in_a_case_of_recurrent_pregnancy_loss_A_case_report

Addendum: There is other herbs popular in Germany for female health and progesteorne: Alchemilla (Lady's mantle) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alchemilla has ingredients similar to Progesterone as far as I understand it.
Title: Re: High Prolactine / low Progesteron? Traditional Herb Vitex agnus-castus
Post by: Cursed on April 12, 2021, 06:38:35 AM
Prolactine is raised after orgasm. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16095799 (higher after masturbation, possibly a reason the nofap crowd detests masturbation vs sex)
Sorry for replying to such an old thread, but I was just searching for info on prolactin and noticed that this statement is incorrect. The study you linked clearly states in the name: "The post-orgasmic prolactin increase following intercourse is greater than following masturbation and suggests greater satiety "
Title: Re: High Prolactine / low Progesteron? Traditional Herb Vitex agnus-castus
Post by: berlin1984 on May 17, 2021, 03:28:28 PM
Chasteberry [400 mg per capsule]: It is supposed to increase progesteron in women. Well it may not do so in man. The first time I took one it unexpectedly induced a weak-moderate ass muscle inflammation (probably not a POIS symptom), but this disappeared in a few hours (after consumption from 2 o 6 hours). At another day I took one in the morning and one in the afternoon. However this kind of inflammation only appeared very weakly.
In regard of POIS symptoms it didn't reduce depression and I still had bloodshot eyes. It may have reduced the burning feeling a bit, but I am not really sure without a more extensive testing. Another thing I noticed was a weak bulging of some blood vessels a few hours after consumption, however blood pressure was alright. All-in-all I could also say that it had practically no effect.
The product doesn't specify what part of the plant was used, but it is probably the leaves or the fruit. The seeds are sold separately and they are said to be antiaphrodisiac, so I will have to test them too.
Title: Re: High Prolactine / low Progesteron? Traditional Herb Vitex agnus-castus
Post by: demografx on May 17, 2021, 05:52:34 PM
Thanks, berlin1984.
Title: Re: High Prolactine / low Progesteron? Traditional Herb Vitex agnus-castus
Post by: Journey on June 09, 2021, 03:30:50 PM
I have this herb capsules at home as my mom used to use them in past but didn't finish them but I am afraid they might lower androgens too much but then again in certain doses Progesterone upregulates androgens and downregulates Estrogen and other androgen opposing hormones so I am unsure if to take it or not