Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (P.O.I.S.)

POIS Life Style => The Down Side => Topic started by: Vandemolen on August 10, 2018, 12:54:42 PM

Title: Why is POIS less hard during the summer?
Post by: Vandemolen on August 10, 2018, 12:54:42 PM
I think I got 50% less symptoms during the summer. The only thing I can point out is vitamin D. But what if you take high dose vitamin D?
Title: Re: Why is POIS less hard during the summer?
Post by: certainlypois2 on August 10, 2018, 10:19:25 PM
i have done it before, i used about 8000iu vitd3 in one dose. i felt pseudo relief. I got energy like i was on caffeine. The energy masked the symptoms  a little but by next day i was back in pois.
Title: Re: Why is POIS less hard during the summer?
Post by: b_jim on August 12, 2018, 03:31:28 AM
I think vit D is a cofactor of a lot of things and that's why a lack seems to increase Pois symptoms during winter.
Title: Re: Why is POIS less hard during the summer?
Post by: Vandemolen on August 12, 2018, 06:28:41 PM
I think vit D is a cofactor of a lot of things and that's why a lack seems to increase Pois symptoms during winter.
But I take high dose vitamin D. So now my vitamin D level is also high during winter.
Title: Re: Why is POIS less hard during the summer?
Post by: b_jim on August 13, 2018, 09:29:15 AM
Ok. Sun must be a cofactor of a lot a biological functions in body too.
Title: Re: Why is POIS less hard during the summer?
Post by: dizzy on August 13, 2018, 09:46:49 AM
A bunch of stuff comes to mind:

- Sun and vit D (already mentioned)

- Our immune system changes during the summer, see https://www.livescience.com/50806-seasonal-variation-human-genes-immune-inflammation.html

- General feeling of wellbeing (caused by sunlight and warmer temperatures)

- Stress might be an issue. During summer, people often work less, and go on a holiday. Also colleagues and customers might go on holiday, which may cause a reduction of stress.

- Exercise. During summer, people might do more exercise (e.g. take a bicycle to work, or go surfing, swimming, diving, etc.)

- Socializing. During summer, people might be more social, which may affect mental symptoms.

- Cold showers. People might take more cold showers during summer. Some people indicated some relief from cold showers.

Some things that might be related but I don't know how:

- During summer, people sweat more, and lose electrolytes and sodium.

- Because of the heat, the scrotum hangs lower (again, not sure what the significance would be for POIS, but should be considered).

- Circadian clock is affected by seasons.

If you want to experiment, you could try:

- Light therapy lamp during winter, e.g. https://www.usa.philips.com/c-p/HF3418_60/energylight

- Saunas and/or cold showers during winter

Title: Re: Why is POIS less hard during the summer?
Post by: Vandemolen on August 13, 2018, 05:04:17 PM
Ok. Sun must be a cofactor of a lot a biological functions in body too.
I am curious of if there is a member here who lives in an tropical country. Where the weather is almost the same the whole year. Like Florida. Where the sun shines almost the whole year. And if their POIS is the same during winter and summer.
Title: Re: Why is POIS less hard during the summer?
Post by: Nas on August 17, 2018, 11:13:10 AM
Ok. Sun must be a cofactor of a lot a biological functions in body too.
I am curious of if there is a member here who lives in an tropical country. Where the weather is almost the same the whole year. Like Florida. Where the sun shines almost the whole year. And if their POIS is the same during winter and summer.

I live in Iraq and yes, it's the same the whole year around.
Title: Re: Why is POIS less hard during the summer?
Post by: Observer on August 17, 2018, 04:20:01 PM
Ok. Sun must be a cofactor of a lot a biological functions in body too.
I am curious of if there is a member here who lives in an tropical country. Where the weather is almost the same the whole year. Like Florida. Where the sun shines almost the whole year. And if their POIS is the same during winter and summer.

I live in Iraq and yes, it's the same the whole year around.

Hello Nas, have you been living in a less cold environment during some time in your life? I found that I was heat sensitive and that heat and high temperatures could exarcebate my POIS symptoms as much as cloudy, wet days.
Title: Re: Why is POIS less hard during the summer?
Post by: Nas on August 17, 2018, 04:44:51 PM
Ok. Sun must be a cofactor of a lot a biological functions in body too.
I am curious of if there is a member here who lives in an tropical country. Where the weather is almost the same the whole year. Like Florida. Where the sun shines almost the whole year. And if their POIS is the same during winter and summer.

I live in Iraq and yes, it's the same the whole year around.

Hello Nas, have you been living in a less cold environment during some time in your life?

Less cold? Iraq is literally the deepest level of hell it self. I don't know what do you mean by less cold environment lol.
Title: Re: Why is POIS less hard during the summer?
Post by: Vandemolen on August 17, 2018, 06:15:23 PM
He means maybe you lived a few years in another country. But that’s what I thought: that if the temprature is almost the same the whole year then the POIS is stable. Here in The Netherlands there is a big difference in my symptoms during summer or winter. During summer I can be sexual active twice a week. During winter maybe twice a month.
Title: Re: Why is POIS less hard during the summer?
Post by: Vandemolen on August 20, 2018, 05:12:22 PM
My POIS doctor said that the main reason is vitamin D. He said that the vitamin D of POIS patients must be at least 130 during the whol year. Mine was 80 in the winter. Now it’s 160. I will try to keep my level during tye whole year around 150. Then I hope my POIS is also not so bad during winter.

Above 300 is toxic.
Title: Re: Why is POIS less hard during the summer?
Post by: Quantum on August 20, 2018, 08:35:19 PM
My POIS doctor said that the main reason is vitamin D. He said that the vitamin D of POIS patients must be at least 130 during the whol year. Mine was 80 in the winter. Now it’s 160. I will try to keep my level during tye whole year around 150. Then I hope my POIS is also not so bad during winter.

Above 300 is toxic.


Hi Vandemolen.  Is you "POIS Doctor" already on my list of POIS doctors? See http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2575.msg22338#msg22338 .  If not, do you think he should be on the list, because he knows about POIS and has an interest in understanding it and finding a treatment for it?
Title: Re: Why is POIS less hard during the summer?
Post by: Vandemolen on August 20, 2018, 08:39:19 PM
No he is not on the list. He asked me not to make his name public because they have already a lot of patients. Including POIS patients.
Title: Re: Why is POIS less hard during the summer?
Post by: Quantum on August 21, 2018, 07:22:58 AM
No he is not on the list. He asked me not to make his name public because they have already a lot of patients. Including POIS patients.

Ok, thanks anyway.   If he changes his mind, just let me know :)
Title: Re: Why is POIS less hard during the summer?
Post by: mike_sweden on August 25, 2018, 12:18:39 PM
yes pois is worse during winter here in sweden

yes its a big difference

during winter im always a bit depressed and its cold, i cant handle cold very well
Title: Re: Why is POIS less hard during the summer?
Post by: JohnJames on November 01, 2018, 04:08:07 PM
I was thinking about this, and I think that the microbiome might change in response to weather. It's very clear that very cold conditions are unfavourable for certain species of bacteria to grow and hotter temperatures are more favourable, it's also clear that the bacteria we interact with and come into contact more often are much more likely to populate our gut flora, scientists are finding nowadays that certain bacterial populations in the gut seem to be regional (IE travelling to a different place would expose you to different bacteria which might populate your gut whilst you are there, but like probiotics tend not to stick around). This might explain the seasonal differences since it appears that Vitamin D taken in winter doesn't have the same effect.
Title: Re: Why is POIS less hard during the summer?
Post by: dizzy on November 01, 2018, 04:24:29 PM
I found another possible explanation: melanocytes.

According to wikipedia: melanocytes are melanin-producing neural crest-derived cells located in the bottom layer (the stratum basale) of the skin's epidermis, the middle layer of the eye (the uvea), the inner ear, vaginal epithelium, meninges, bones, and heart.

They play a role in the immune system, and in sexual activity (shown in mice).

The reason I came up with this is that I found that applying melanocyte-stimulating hormone (MSH) to my skin reduces my POIS problems somewhat. Actually, I'm not really using MSH but an analog called Melitane which is easily available in a particular brand of sunscreen/selftanner.

Also, UVA lamps (blacklight) have a somewhat positive effect.
Title: Re: Why is POIS less hard during the summer?
Post by: b_jim on November 02, 2018, 02:31:26 AM
Brilliant  8)  How long have you been using it ?

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Both the acetylated and non-acetylated forms of melanocyte stimulating hormone (alpha-melanocyte stimulating hormone and des-acetyl melanocyte stimulating hormone) stimulate sexual behaviour; latencies both to ejaculation and to resumption of copulatory behaviour after an ejaculation (post-ejaculatory interval) were reduced.
Title: Re: Why is POIS less hard during the summer?
Post by: dizzy on November 03, 2018, 03:55:49 PM
@b_jim For completeness, I'm using Piz Buin tan&protect tan accelerating spray, SPF 6 (it says on the back that it contains Melitane)

I noticed improvement when I was using the spray during the summer, and started using it again recently (since a month or two or so). The improvement is subtle but clearly noticeable. I'm still experimenting. For me it only works two or three days in a row, then it stops working and then after another two or three days I can use it again. Perhaps I have to combine its use with UV light.
Title: Re: Why is POIS less hard during the summer?
Post by: Vandemolen on June 20, 2019, 09:15:35 PM
I was not sexual active in 6 months. I am sick. I also lost a lot of weight and had no libido. My apitite came back and I am feeling a hit better. Because the summer kicked in I could not abstain anymore. In the last 3 weeks I think I did it at least 10 times. The weird thing is that I only had 1 day of POIS. I think it is because of the good weather.
Title: Re: Why is POIS less hard during the summer?
Post by: Investigator on June 21, 2019, 02:35:56 AM
I keep thinking about POIS and the weather all the time. If I collect enough evidence of its effect, I would relocate once I have the chance.

For me the worst is a wet rainy spring (like this year). Sunny and pleasant days with wind work the best, sometimes the symptoms just disappear if I go to a mountain in a nice sunny (not too hot) day. Interestingly, however, cold but sunny and dry winter days work well for me as well. It was mentioned a couple of times "cold" days in this thread, but in Sweden and the Netherlands - I think it is cold and wet there during the winter. For me cold and dry (sunny) works well.

A possible explanation is nitric oxide, it has been mentioned many times in the forum (do a forum search for nitric oxide). You generate it from sun's UV rays, not just from the temperature. It's another thing you get from the sun, not just vitamin D. Even one hour of (appropriate) sun exposure can generate nitric oxide (and one hour of sun would have no effect on your vitamin D). Of course, it is very intuitive that one can't substitute sun by just vitamin D, there are plenty of other things one gets from sun. The nitrix oxide then acts as a vasodilator. It has been suggested in the forum that vasodilation can possibly open up some blood vessel or a capillary that allows [something good that has to do with nervous system or hormones to happen]. I like this theory, find it plausible.

One way to test it is through the following question. Say it is summer and you have reduction of symptoms. Do you have this reduction if you spend little or no time in direct sun exposure, just having the benefit of the temperature? If yes, the theory would be wrong. If no, the theory has some more grounds.

Here is then also an explanation of why too hot sunny days do not work well, at least for me: in these days, we avoid the sun altogether, can't get the positive effects from its UV. And also, a day too hot is always complete lack of energy for me, even before my POIS, so now I can't tell if hot days are bad because of POIS or just because of what they are for me.   

That said, of course, lack of sun is not the cause of our symptoms (so many people live in pretty dark and gloomy countries and have no POIS); however, it is possible that sun helps through nitric oxide to open up that small blood vessel somewhere and this might be what causes reduction of symptoms. 

The mystery for me is that I remember someone in the forum saying that he lives in San Diego, this is the best climate I can imagine, sunny, dry, mild all year round, and he still has POIS.
Title: Re: Why is POIS less hard during the summer?
Post by: b_jim on June 27, 2019, 01:54:58 PM
Dopamine = vaso-constrictor

We know that orgasm causes dopamine release and semen is rich in catecholamines.
It must explain why I feel cold just after ejaculation.

In winter, temperatures a lower and then vaso-constriction is stronger and then Pois symptoms are stronger.

To put in a nutshell, fight vaso-constriction in every way possible,  may improves Pois symptoms
Title: Re: Why is POIS less hard during the summer?
Post by: demografx on June 27, 2019, 02:06:29 PM
Interesting, b_Jim!
Title: Re: Why is POIS less hard during the summer?
Post by: Nas on June 27, 2019, 03:08:50 PM

To put in a nutshell, fight vaso-constriction in every way possible,  may improves Pois symptoms
It will improve vasoconstriction related symptoms but not POIS. I think you're right, if it's truly related to dopamine depletion. Another explanation could be a dysfunction in the hypothalamus.
Title: Re: Why is POIS less hard during the summer?
Post by: Investigator on June 28, 2019, 02:39:53 AM
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To put in a nutshell, fight vaso-constriction in every way possible,  may improves Pois symptoms

Very well said. I think this is why garlic helps to some of us. I am now experimenting with alcohol before orgasm and garlic after - both are vasodilators.
Title: Re: Why is POIS less hard during the summer?
Post by: Aladin on June 28, 2019, 07:43:39 AM
I bumped into this researching the candida hypothesis some here prone.
Could be a link to the milder POIS symptoms in summer...

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27865660
Title: Re: Why is POIS less hard during the summer?
Post by: Guts on July 28, 2019, 01:14:14 PM
i have less problems in winter
Title: Re: Why is POIS less hard during the summer?
Post by: demografx on July 28, 2019, 01:43:03 PM
I experience zero seasonal variation.
Title: Re: Why is POIS less hard during the summer?
Post by: berlin1984 on July 31, 2020, 12:54:32 PM
Poll for Northern Hemisphere people.
https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=3321.0

If you don't experience variability, maybe select all months.
Title: Re: Why is POIS less hard during the summer?
Post by: berlin1984 on July 31, 2020, 01:16:36 PM
It has been suggested in the forum that vasodilation can possibly open up some blood vessel or a capillary that allows [something good that has to do with nervous system or hormones to happen]. I like this theory, find it plausible.

Related thread:

Many things can cause vasoconstriction (narrowing of blood vessels) including drug use (smoking), hormones, temperature, etc.  If youre in a cold climate often that might cause it
Title: Re: Why is POIS less hard during the summer?
Post by: Investigator on August 01, 2020, 12:59:46 AM
Actually, now I may modify the vasoconstriction hypothesis: it could be that the problem is not with the blood vessels, but with the cryoglobulins, making blood of higher viscosity. One POIS patient in a clinical-case paper turned out to have higher levels of cryoglobulins (++).

And yes, when the blood vessels happen to be dilated (e.g. with niacin, with garlic, with alcohol, or with heat) - sure, that helps for the blood of higher viscosity to pass. But what if the actual problem is more with the blood viscosity than it is with the blood vessel?
Title: Re: Why is POIS less hard during the summer?
Post by: Journey on August 01, 2020, 06:49:54 AM
Actually, now I may modify the vasoconstriction hypothesis: it could be that the problem is not with the blood vessels, but with the cryoglobulins, making blood of higher viscosity. One POIS patient in a clinical-case paper turned out to have higher levels of cryoglobulins (++).

And yes, when the blood vessels happen to be dilated (e.g. with niacin, with garlic, with alcohol, or with heat) - sure, that helps for the blood of higher viscosity to pass. But what if the actual problem is more with the blood viscosity than it is with the blood vessel?
I've thought of POIS thick blood/viscosity link. It'd be useful to look at POISer blood pressure.
Title: Re: Why is POIS less hard during the summer?
Post by: drop247 on August 01, 2020, 08:41:21 AM
Would vasodilator substances also dilate the seminal vessels?
Title: Re: Why is POIS less hard during the summer?
Post by: Mishlen on August 07, 2020, 01:19:10 AM
I haven't noticed seasonal changes on me. When i get symptoms my body is struggling with extreme temperatures. Cold winters are especially bad but hot summers are almost equal.
So if some of you feel better on summer, could it be as simple as increased vitamin D levels has boosted testosterone levels (though dopamin also elevates)?