Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (P.O.I.S.)

POIS Life Style => The Down Side => Topic started by: Vandemolen on February 13, 2018, 04:32:52 PM

Title: Hot flushes
Post by: Vandemolen on February 13, 2018, 04:32:52 PM
Does anyone else gets hot flushes? My immune system is screwed because of cbd oil (I used too much). Since a few years I get hot flushes. If someone else gets them too then we know that POIS is an auto immune dissease. I read that men get hot flushes because they getting older and then they have less testosterone. My testo. level is low. And I think a lot of POIS-patients have a low level testo.
Title: Re: Hot flushes
Post by: Muon on February 13, 2018, 05:18:28 PM
Flushing is often seen in mast cell activation disorders.
Title: Re: Hot flushes
Post by: b_jim on February 14, 2018, 01:55:11 AM
Agree.
My hot flashes always come 3-4 hours after ejaculation if I eat sugar.
So testosterone level drop (I think FREE testosterone) after ejaculation is a real and good explanation.
80g of sugar reduce testosterone by 24-25%. It's huge.
Title: Re: Hot flushes
Post by: Muon on February 14, 2018, 09:53:54 AM
Have you guys measured your testosterone levels?
Title: Re: Hot flushes
Post by: demografx on February 14, 2018, 10:31:51 AM

Yes, see below :)
Title: Re: Hot flushes
Post by: Vandemolen on February 14, 2018, 11:04:03 AM
Have you guys measured your testosterone levels?
Yes mine was on the edge of the minimum. I think it was 12. The blood test was done on day 1 of POIS.
Title: Re: Hot flushes
Post by: b_jim on February 14, 2018, 02:31:30 PM
After several ejaculations, my bloodtest showed normal total testosterone but low limit free testosterone.
Title: Re: Hot flushes
Post by: Hopeoneday on February 15, 2018, 08:51:12 AM
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4582226/

How can test is hypogndal sigsn ok? Is this posible at all?
Title: Re: Hot flushes
Post by: Vandemolen on January 30, 2019, 02:21:18 AM
I get more hot flashes now. Beside the low testosterone I think Clomid caused it. I am more than 2 months of Clomid but the hot flashes are still there. I also sweat a lot on my back. And I have insomnia. I thought I have urticaria, but maybe it is the hot flashes. The only thing is that my symptoms get worse after a warm shower. So that is why I thought about urticaria. I wonder if there is a different solution beside TRT.
Title: Re: Hot flushes
Post by: Vandemolen on January 30, 2019, 08:55:30 AM
I get more hot flashes now. Beside the low testosterone I think Clomid caused it. I am more than 2 months of Clomid but the hot flashes are still there. I also sweat a lot on my back. And I have insomnia. I thought I have urticaria, but maybe it is the hot flashes. The only thing is that my symptoms get worse after a warm shower. So that is why I thought about urticaria. I wonder if there is a different solution beside TRT.
I will aks my doctor to give me Dixarit (Clonidine). It helps against hot flushes. Something interesting: it widens the blood vessels, just like Niacin. Maybe it could help against POIS to? I am in a POIS state because of the flushes. After the hot flushes I get cold and have goose bumps. The flushes were first cause by Amitryptiline and later by Clomid.
Title: Re: Hot flushes
Post by: Vandemolen on February 08, 2019, 06:18:17 AM
I still have a lot of hot flushes and chills. Sometimes I sleep very bad and then next day I am feeling cold. After chronotherapy I can fall asleep very fast, but I wake up because of the hot flushes. I had 2 medicines that I used a lot: cefuroxim and Amitryptiline. Both cause hot flushes and chills. I already stopped with cefuroxim 3 months ago. I will stop with Amitryptiline too, but befause of the possible rebound I will have to stop in a slow way. I also used fluconazole for candida and clomid for raising testosterone. Both medicines also cause hot flushes and chills. Clomid was very bad for hot flushes. I hope when I stop with Amitryptiline the hot flushes will go away. My doctor did not want to give me clonidine. He wanted first to look what it does if I stop Amitryptiline. Taking clonidine would be also a risk because it is used for people with high blood pressure. And my BP is in the low range: 105/80.
Title: Re: Hot flushes
Post by: b_jim on February 08, 2019, 12:59:59 PM
In my case, hot flashes seems linked to :
- glycemia (mainly)
- dopamine (possible)
- thyroid (possible)
Title: Re: Hot flushes
Post by: Vandemolen on February 08, 2019, 02:17:11 PM
My thyroid is in the slow range. Only a thyroid which is working too fast causes hot flushes. Before the 4 months I a sick now I used to have hot flushes hut only for 1 or 2 days. On the first day of POIS I knew I got chills. But I think there was also a hot flush before the chills. In my case beside the medicines it could because of a low level of IgM and low testosterone. And in POIS maybe dopamine plays a role.
Title: Re: Hot flushes
Post by: mike_sweden on February 08, 2019, 02:27:06 PM
i used to get a lot of them when i was younger, used to jerk of constantly then, idiotic
Title: Re: Hot flushes
Post by: b_jim on February 08, 2019, 03:53:58 PM
I have the chills quickly after orgasm. I think dopamine must be low at this moment and maybe it affects thyroid because tyrosine might be the missing key to release both, thyroid hormones and dopamine.

After, I have the hot flashes especially 30 minutes after meals rich in carbohydrates. I think high blood glucose might influence dopamine/tyrosine balance in the hypothalamus which is the temperature regulator.
Title: Re: Hot flushes
Post by: Vandemolen on February 08, 2019, 04:07:47 PM
I have the chills quickly after orgasm. I think dopamine must be low at this moment and maybe it affects thyroid because tyrosine might be the missing key to release both, thyroid hormones and dopamine.

After, I have the hot flashes especially 30 minutes after meals rich in carbohydrates. I think high blood glucose might influence dopamine/tyrosine balance in the hypothalamus which is the temperature regulator.
Do you think L-tyrosine will help against hot flushes? I do not think so because:

Fenylalanine —> tyrosine
Tyrosine —> L-DOPA
L-DOPA —>dopamine
Dopamine —>norepinephrine

Women on a certain age have too much norepinephrine and that might cause hot flushes. It is said that Folic acid brings that down.

I also read that vitamin E and Maca helps against hot flushes. Since a few days I take Maca. Since today I take folate. And I will order vitamin E.
Title: Re: Hot flushes
Post by: b_jim on February 09, 2019, 03:52:10 AM
I currently take 500mg of L-tyro with my taurine 30 minu before orgasm.
i have the feeling to have no or less restless legs symptoms and no or less cold feeling.
I can't say more for the moment, it's a just a feeling.
Title: Re: Hot flushes
Post by: Nas on February 09, 2019, 08:14:11 AM
I currently take 500mg of L-tyro with my taurine 30 minu before orgasm.
i have the feeling to have no or less restless legs symptoms and no or less cold feeling.
I can't say more for the moment, it's a just a feeling.
How is L-Tyro for your POID b_jim, is it effective?
Title: Re: Hot flushes
Post by: Vandemolen on February 10, 2019, 09:17:52 AM
I read that acupuncture can help against hot flushes. I do not know, I am a bit sceptical. I went to a acupuncture practioner before. That was years ago, but then because of POIS. She felf a few point on my body, but she said that my liver energy and kidney’s were ok, so she could not help me. When I googled I saw that some women were helped by acupuncture.

This research says that acupuncture reduced half of the symptoms:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5266651/

Maybe because the release of CGRP, that regulates the body temperature.

I am trying everything to get rid of the hot flushes and the cills. I do not mind the hot flushes, but the chills after that are very bad. I am on Maca and ordered vitamin E. I also am stopping with amitryptiline, which can cause hot flushes, sweating and cills. Do not know what to do else. When I go to sleep I put the heat off. It becomes a bit cold in my house, but when I wake up I feel warm and there is a bit of sweat on my neck. I have a regular pyama, just like before I had these hot flushes.
Title: Re: Hot flushes
Post by: Vandemolen on February 13, 2019, 05:10:43 PM
Could it be that I am in andropause? I am 41 years old. The sweating started 2 years ago. My testosterone is a bit low 9.6. But I gave blood in the afternoon. They say that at 10 AM the testosterone is the highest. I read that testosterone has to be below 8 for being diagnosed with andropause. And I do not have other andropause symptoms. My erection are good and I can last for hours. And my blood pressure is not high. I am on the low range. But my Triglycerides is too high: 2.4. And I am not depressed.

I searched on the forum on ‘andropause’ and I saw that there is a 17 years old member who said he has andropause like symptoms. And other members also have hot flushes. But I have them without being in POIS and I have a few every day.
Title: Re: Hot flushes
Post by: Vandemolen on February 17, 2019, 08:47:50 AM
Maybe it was not smart of me that I used Niacin for a few years. Even it did not help me much. Maybe 10% less symptoms, but in my case it could be placebo effect. But the 200 mg niacin gave me a big hot flush. Could it be that my hot flushes even out of POIS is caused by niacin? Could it be that niacin caused my sweating? I started sweating a lot 3 years ago.
Title: Re: Hot flushes
Post by: Vandemolen on February 22, 2019, 02:16:11 PM
The doctor gave me Clonidine (a2 receptor agonist) against the hot flushes. Normally women in menopause get this medicine. I really hope that it will help against the hot flushes, the chills and the sweating. The only downside is that it brings the blood pressure down. And my BP is also not very high: 105/80. I have to monitor my BP every week.

In the search function of this forum I saw that others discussed Clonidine as a possible treatment for POIS. Like Niacin Clonidine widens the blood vessels.
Title: Re: Hot flushes
Post by: Guts on February 22, 2019, 04:20:27 PM
Beta blockers and iboprufen helped against hot flushes. Cannabis also helped quite well. other supplements are black cohosh and vitex castus agnus. Vasodilators help due to the extra loss of heat but usually makes orthostatic intolerance worse in some patients.

All in all hot flushes are horrible .. when its 25 C outside it feels like 40 C to me.. with 15 C i already sweat my ass off. Best solution for me are NSAIDS, anti histamines and cold water swimming.

Eating carbs makes it much more worse.. ketogenic diet is much better.

As usual limp dick always helps
Title: Re: Hot flushes
Post by: Vandemolen on February 23, 2019, 07:02:45 AM
The doctor gave me Clonidine (a2 receptor agonist) against the hot flushes. Normally women in menopause get this medicine. I really hope that it will help against the hot flushes, the chills and the sweating. The only downside is that it brings the blood pressure down. And my BP is also not very high: 105/80. I have to monitor my BP every week.

In the search function of this forum I saw that others discussed Clonidine as a possible treatment for POIS. Like Niacin Clonidine widens the blood vessels.
Maybe my blood pressure went down because the last few years I used Amitryptiline. That brings the BP down. Maybe that is the reason why I have cold feet and cold hands. And maybe my body started with hot flushes to control my body. The downside of clonidine is that it lowers BP and can cause cold feet and cold hands. But I have to try it because it ends hot flushes. And when the hot flushes stop I hope that my sleep will improve. I stopped with Amitryptiline. My doctor gave to me for itching. But it was better if I stayed away from that awfull medicine.
Title: Re: Hot flushes
Post by: Vandemolen on February 25, 2019, 06:57:00 AM
My hot flushes are not regular hot flushes. They are histamine flushes. Maybe caused by medicines, desens or cbd oil. There are a few medicines that destroy DAO in your gut. I took two them: cefuroxim and amitryptiline. I already tried a few anti histamine medines, but with no succes. Maybe I need something more heavy. When I shower i get red dots on my chest, back and arms. I do not know if food sensitivity is involved. Then Nalcrom might help. I ordered a blood test for DAO. I think histamine intolerance is the reason of my insomnia. It keeps you alert and awake.

Research about food insensitivity:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26242570
Title: Re: Hot flushes
Post by: Muon on February 25, 2019, 05:30:27 PM
A DAO blood test doesn't tell you anything. The histamine clearance rate for HNMT is much higher, even in the absence of DAO in your blood histamine will be metabolized very quickly. And serum DAO is not an indication of DAO levels throughout the body as in organs. Waste of money. 
Title: Re: Hot flushes
Post by: Vandemolen on March 04, 2019, 06:45:52 PM
I just found out that the hot flushes appear when:
1. I am sitting in the bench for a long time. For example when watching tv. When the flush comes and I stand up or lean forward with my back not on the bench or a pillow the flush goes away.
2. When I am driving for more than 20 minutes. Even when it is not hot outside.
3. When I sleep. Normally I sleep on my side or belly. But maybe when in sleep I am laying on my back for a period.
4. After taking a hot shower. When I take a lukewarm shower I get less symptoms.
5. After sports. Or even when I walk for 30 minutes.
Title: Re: Hot flushes
Post by: Vandemolen on March 08, 2019, 06:51:51 AM
My DAO is 44. It has to be above 10. I do not thrust commercial labs. But it is right then my DAO is fine. I did not except it to be that high. But anyway I will continue restoring my gut but taking enzymes and amino acids. And I am eating more healthy, no sugar.

I am pretty sure that I have warmth urticaria. I read a review about a medicine and that guy has the same what I have. He was helped by anti histamine. So far 4 types of anti histamine did not help me. I think only prednison can help me. Next week I go to the immunologist.
Title: Re: Hot flushes
Post by: Vandemolen on March 24, 2019, 04:32:27 PM
My hot flushes started 5 years ago. First only for 1 or 2 days. 6 years ago I had my tonsils removed. This helped me a lot for POIS. I had less throat and nose problems. But I read that removing the tonsils makes the chance bigger to have an auto immune disease. Is there someone else who had his tonsils removed as an adult?
Title: Re: Hot flushes
Post by: Vandemolen on March 28, 2019, 01:41:08 PM
My hot flushes may be caused by Ankylosing spondylitis (bekhterev's disease).

Since my POIS like period I have lower back pain. A doctor said it is the Sacroiliac joint. I also have a bowing posture. My head and my back bows a bit down. First I want to wait for other blood results before asking my doctor to send me to an AS-doctor.

Now the connection with POIS. Could the SI joint pain caused my POIS? Or did I damaged the SI joint after having POIS because of masturbation? People with AS also have problems with sex and there are a few symptoms that are the same, like prostate infections and light sensitivity.

Fernando from Brazil said he thinks his POIs has to do with his spine problems.

There could be more kinds of POIs and more types of causes.

 Wikipedia:

Quote
(AS) is a type of arthritis in which there is long term inflammation of the joints of the spine.[2] Typically the joints where the spine joins the pelvis are also affected.[2] Occasionally other joints such as the shoulders or hips are involved.[2] Eye and bowel problems may also occur.[2] Back pain is a characteristic symptom of AS, and it often comes and goes.[2] Stiffness of the affected joints generally worsens over time.[\quote]