Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (P.O.I.S.)

General Category => Poll Center => Topic started by: Habibou on November 25, 2011, 03:45:38 AM

Title: Vitamin D
Post by: Habibou on November 25, 2011, 03:45:38 AM
Here is a poll to try to understand if there is a link between the Vitamin D concentration in the blood and POIS. I personally checked it and it was very low !
Many of us felt so much better after an O while they had been exposed to the sun for a long period.
Title: Re: Vitamin D
Post by: sameer7777 on November 27, 2011, 05:51:34 PM
Should I check my vitamin d during Pois ???
Title: Re: Vitamin D
Post by: sameer7777 on November 27, 2011, 05:52:16 PM
Sorry I mean how long after O
Title: Re: Vitamin D
Post by: Ccconfucius on November 28, 2011, 02:25:49 PM
Should I check my vitamin d during Pois ???
it shouldnt matter.
Title: Re: Vitamin D
Post by: Habibou on November 28, 2011, 03:08:20 PM
Yes, it should normally be the same ! Just a thought for those who are feeling tired without POIS and "dead" under POIS !
Title: Re: Vitamin D
Post by: hurray on November 29, 2011, 10:03:27 AM
Unfortunately I've never had the chance to check my Vitamin D levels, but my POIS certainly seems to have diminished since I moved to a sunny climate 2 years ago. I'm not prepared to move back to a place with terrible weather to confirm the theory, though  :)
Title: Re: Vitamin D
Post by: Ccconfucius on December 12, 2011, 12:42:48 AM
I believe vit d is helping my fatigue.    I use 4000 ius a day, went one day without it and got that annoying morning fatigue after sleeping several hours.  The day before i slept only two hours while on vitamind and didnt feel that same fatigue.
Title: Re: Vitamin D
Post by: Habibou on December 12, 2011, 11:44:21 AM
I guess i will have D Vitamin injections cause it seems my digestive appliance does not process it... I only take 1000 UI for the moment, it is nothing! will update.
Title: Re: Vitamin D
Post by: sameer7777 on December 12, 2011, 04:20:10 PM
ok i will try vitamin d

and yes go for vit b it help me alot .... injections .... yes
Title: Re: Vitamin D
Post by: eur79m on March 05, 2012, 10:07:08 AM
Very interesting that I am not the only one with low Vitamin D level!

My test came out at 18.2ug/L , and that after had just been back from a holiday where I spent a whole week in the sun! My level might thus even be lower without one week direct sun exposure.

I am currently on a 2000 U.I. / day vitamin D supplement. Will try additional tanning bed use next week.

The vitamin D supplement alone shows no effect concerning POIS symptoms.


Would be great if others could also have this tested to have a larger comparable base!
Title: Re: Vitamin D
Post by: Ccconfucius on March 05, 2012, 01:53:36 PM
i think the sun helps pois fatigue alot am not sure about cognition , my vitamind is super low to and i have been siting in sun 20 mins a day and cloudy days using up to 6000iu a day.
Title: Re: Vitamin D
Post by: Habibou on March 07, 2012, 08:05:31 PM
I also took 2 times a 100 000 U.I. D vitamin but did not expose to the sun and ... no effect ! I guess the best is to be exposed to UV during a long time while we take the supplements...
Title: Re: Vitamin D
Post by: pep on June 24, 2012, 05:20:46 AM
i don't know
Title: Re: Vitamin D
Post by: Stef on July 18, 2012, 10:33:57 AM
Regarding Vit D and Vit D blood levels --

The blood test is reliable and is called the 25-hydroxy vitamin D test. This is the only test that truly reflects the Vit D level, yet some doctors don't order this one.

The Vit D supplement/pill that one takes should be called Vitamin D3 .

Also, it should be taken with food, because it's absorbed better that way.

Habibou -- you may not need injections.  Ask you doctor about increasing your Vit D supplement.  1,000 IU of Vitamin D is not a high dose.

But ask your doctor -- please don't do it on your own.

Here's a link to a really good article on Vitamin D from the Harvard School of Public Health newsletter --

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/what-should-you-eat/vitamin-d/index.html#vitamin-d-recommendations

Stef
Title: Re: Vitamin D
Post by: Habibou on July 19, 2012, 01:53:58 PM
Thank you so much Steph !
I did not take 1.000 UI but 100 000 UI of Vitamin D3,  2 times without any effet.
Now I understand why ...It is normal I dont feel good because I learn I have lot of ringworms in my bowel for a while and it perhaps created my constant POIS/CFS.
Title: Re: Vitamin D
Post by: Ccconfucius on July 19, 2012, 02:30:13 PM
how did you find that out, and what made you check for that.
Title: Re: Vitamin D
Post by: Stef on July 19, 2012, 08:44:32 PM
Thank you so much Steph !
I did not take 1.000 UI but 100 000 UI of Vitamin D3,  2 times without any effet.
Now I understand why ...It is normal I dont feel good because I learn I have lot of ringworms in my bowel for a while and it perhaps created my constant POIS/CFS.

Hi Habibou!

I misread the dose you took of the Vitamin D.  Sorry about that! 

You took 100,000 IU of Vitamin D?? I didn't know it came in that dosage!

And you took it only twice?

Sun exposure will generally increase Vitamin D levels, but with POIS -- nothing is standard! There's no text-book on POIS (yet!), and almost nothing is known about it.  So until something is learned, everyone should expect the unexpected.

Vitamin D3 needs to be taken regularly (daily) if there's a deficiency, and then a few blood levels need to be done to make sure (1) that you're responding -- that the level of this very important vitamin is rising, and (2) that it's not going too high (this is unlikely, but still needs to be checked).

And take it with food!

Habibou -- if you had those intestinal parasites for a while, that would probably affect everything -- especially absorption of nutrients.

Vitamin D may not be the answer to POIS (at least -- I don't know if it is) but it's a required vitamin that affects multiple body systems. So it's a good idea to have one's levels checked every so often.

Good luck with this, Habibou -- and everyone!

Stef

   



Title: Re: Vitamin D
Post by: Vincent M on July 20, 2012, 05:13:24 PM
Habibou, I'm also interested in how exactly you discovered that you have ringworms.

If you really do have ringworms it could be a bad sign for the theory that parasites might reduce POIS symptoms since certain parasites have been shown to treat or even cure some autoimmune conditions and allergies. But perhaps ringworms don't have the same potential for maintaining a balanced immune system that other parasites seem to have.
Title: Re: Vitamin D
Post by: Stef on July 20, 2012, 07:58:05 PM
In truth, "ringworm" is probably an incorrect  name -- "ringworm" is just a circular rash on the skin, caused by a fungus.  Easily treated.

They might have been round worms, or pin worms.

I never knew that parasites have been know to balance the immune system! (Yuck!!)

Also didn't know that some consider parasites to be helpful for some autoimmune conditions!!!

Have heard of maggot therapy, and leech therapy --> both real and apparently helpful in certain circumstance. But have not heard about parasite therapy.

Live and learn!

Stef
Title: Re: Vitamin D
Post by: joelawerence on December 01, 2016, 06:44:45 AM
I have been taking Vitamin D for the last few weeks on the advice of my GP. Initially I took it without any hope but it seems to be helping a bit with the physical symptoms and reduction in peak POIS time. I am taking 20,000 UI Vitamin D3 twice a week. It has decreased by extreme fatigue by about 40% or so and my peak POIS period seems to reduce from 7 days to about 4 days or so. Doesn?t seem to have much impact on improving cognitive symptoms though.

Having tried Niacin, fenugreek, curcumin, Garlic, etc. this this the only thing that has improved my symptoms somewhat. My theory is that I may be low in Vitamin D as well as I am dark skinned and living in the UK means that my body is able to generate very little Vitamin D on it?s own. I will keep taking it to see if it is a placebo or not. Anyone else had any benefits from taking Vitamin D supplements?
Title: Re: Vitamin D
Post by: b_jim on December 01, 2016, 04:12:17 PM
I have been taking Vitamin D for the last few weeks on the advice of my GP. Initially I took it without any hope but it seems to be helping a bit with the physical symptoms and reduction in peak POIS time. I am taking 20,000 UI Vitamin D3 twice a week. It has decreased by extreme fatigue by about 40% or so and my peak POIS period seems to reduce from 7 days to about 4 days or so. Doesn?t seem to have much impact on improving cognitive symptoms though.

Having tried Niacin, fenugreek, curcumin, Garlic, etc. this this the only thing that has improved my symptoms somewhat. My theory is that I may be low in Vitamin D as well as I am dark skinned and living in the UK means that my body is able to generate very little Vitamin D on it?s own. I will keep taking it to see if it is a placebo or not. Anyone else had any benefits from taking Vitamin D supplements?

I think it's very possible. The best thing is to make a bloostest.
The africans living in Europe can't produce enough vitamin D. (at the opposite an european with a clear skin can't stay under african sun ).
I always said my Pois didn't suddenly appear but it came gradually. It was as if somthing has been depleted gradually.

Congratulations,  good job joelawerence.
Title: Re: Vitamin D
Post by: Going less Crazy on June 23, 2017, 12:15:53 AM
My d level is 21.6, however I felt worse with supplementation...can't sleep, anxious,not good (surprise), so I just try and get it naturally now which has no bad effect.
Title: Re: Vitamin D
Post by: Jimmy on June 23, 2017, 04:34:34 AM
Usually vitamin d supplementation should not give negative side effects, but it consumes magnesium which might induce magnesium deficiency symptoms.

Try vitamin d with 100mg magnesium.
Title: Re: Vitamin D
Post by: certainlypois2 on June 23, 2017, 03:23:42 PM
My d level is 21.6, however I felt worse with supplementation...can't sleep, anxious,not good (surprise), so I just try and get it naturally now which has no bad effect.
how much are  you using, I get the same symptoms when I used 2000ius vitd3 a day.  I have since drop my dosage to 400ius vitd3 with food, in the morning so it does not affect my sleep. When I was using 50000iu vitd2 a week I didn't get any of those symptoms.
Title: Re: Vitamin D
Post by: Going less Crazy on June 24, 2017, 08:50:55 AM
I only used 400 ius.  There is something wrong with my body where I am just super sensitive to vitamins/chemicals.  Never used to be, only when I developed this condition.  So I really think the best way for me to get my vitamins is from food.
Title: Re: Vitamin D
Post by: Limejuice on September 21, 2017, 04:54:51 AM
My vitamin D results scored 32 with a range of 30 to 100.
Title: Re: Vitamin D
Post by: b_jim on October 26, 2017, 03:09:42 PM
Vitamin D seems to help me a lot.   
Title: Re: Vitamin D
Post by: joelawerence on October 30, 2017, 04:59:05 AM
Vitamin D seems to help me a lot.

Hi b_jim, Vitamin D seemed to helped me for a few months and then the benefits seem to have reduced a lot. Can you let us know how long and how much Vit D have you been taking? Also, what symptoms has it helped? Thanks.
Title: Re: Vitamin D
Post by: b_jim on October 30, 2017, 01:09:55 PM
Hi, I took 2-3 small bottles during winter (november to april). 1000 UI a day I think

It seems vitamin d make me less sensible to sugar symptoms (hot flashes, hypoglycemia and all the symptoms coming in the first hours after ejaculation).

But I lost weight during last months (64 to 60 kg :( ) and now I feel tired. Boring. I suspect vitamin D helps me to gain weight (muscles).


Title: Re: Vitamin D
Post by: b_jim on October 31, 2017, 12:51:32 PM
No, the dosage was 2000 UI a day. I just bought a new one.
But the Pois guy said he took 10000 UI after ejaculation :

https://www.vitamindwiki.com/Hypothesis+%e2%80%93+Fatigue+the+day+after+sex+is+due+to+deficiency+of+Vitamin+D,+Magnesium,+and+Zinc

Quote
Admin at VitaminDWiki, (as of 2016 - age 70) has not been exhausted after ejaculation.

I had found that taking Zinc and Magnesium (ZMA: 30 mg of Zinc, 450 mg of Magnesium Asperatate, 15 mg of vitamin B6) reduced the exhaustion, but did not eliminate it.
Added 10,000 IU of vitamin D and D-Ribose: No longer exhausted the next day

Magnesium and vitamin D are very synergistic, that is, increasing one also increases the other.

Title: Re: Vitamin D
Post by: b_jim on November 01, 2017, 02:05:57 AM
I chose to take 5000 UI a day for a month. This dose seems to be stong but safe.
10000 UI is safe in short term but might be too much months after months.

The thing that I couln't understand is why could I be low in vitamin D in october.
I spend all my summer working out, at least nude forearms and sometimes nude legs/nude chest.

Is there something wrong with me ?

Is Pois only a testosterone fall ?
Title: Re: Vitamin D
Post by: certainlypois2 on November 01, 2017, 12:42:07 PM
I chose to take 5000 UI a day for a month. This dose seems to be stong but safe.
10000 UI is safe in short term but might be too much months after months.

The thing that I couln't understand is why could I be low in vitamin D in october.
I spend all my summer working out, at least nude forearms and sometimes nude legs/nude chest.

Is there something wrong with me ?

Is Pois only a testosterone fall ?


I read somewhere legs and and forearms are not enough, you need a large surface everytime to get enough vitamin d.   
You probably know these, use your vitamin d with food that contain fats to get good absorption.
I am not sure but the body probably uses a decent amount of vitamin d everyday so you will probably reduce you buildup by october.
Title: Re: Vitamin D
Post by: Vandemolen on November 01, 2017, 01:24:22 PM
I use two ampuls of 25.000 IU once a week. In The Netherlands you can’t buy this amount. You need a prescription from the family doctor.
Title: Re: Vitamin D
Post by: b_jim on November 02, 2017, 01:30:00 PM
Here we can buy the small bottle (100.000 UI for 10 ml drop by drop ). But you need an ordonnance for ampoule.

"You probably know these, use your vitamin d with food that contain fats to get good absorption. "

Thanks, I knew it's better during meal but I didn't remember that the fats improve absorbtion.
Title: Re: Vitamin D
Post by: certainlypois2 on November 02, 2017, 04:36:16 PM
Here we can buy the small bottle (100.000 UI for 10 ml drop by drop ). But you need an ordonnance for ampoule.

"You probably know these, use your vitamin d with food that contain fats to get good absorption. "

Thanks, I knew it's better during meal but I didn't remember that the fats improve absorbtion.
https://examine.com/nutrition/how-much-fat-do-i-need-to-absorb-vitamind/
according to this site low to moderate amount of fat is best, that probably fits with the average meal.
Title: Re: Vitamin D
Post by: Vandemolen on February 28, 2018, 08:23:19 PM
My Vitamin D is 81. Which is ok for normal persons. But my doctor told me people with allergy’s (not POIS, but pollen, dust and other) must have at least a value of 100. I use 50.000 IE once a week. When a normal person uses that amount for months his vitamine will be very high. Now I have to use 50.000 IE twice a week.
Title: Re: Vitamin D
Post by: Hopeoneday on April 29, 2018, 02:14:56 PM
Acording to this resarch only active form of vitamine d(caltitriol) hawe real benefits.
And i think that NO disturbtion in as play big role in "inflamation-artery stiffines" after ejaculation.

https://www.selfhacked.com/blog/avoiding-sun-will-kill-14-proven-science-based-health-benefits-sun/

https://www.selfhacked.com/blog/natural-ways-to-increase-calcitrol-and-vitamin-d-receptor-gene-expression/
Title: Re: Vitamin D
Post by: Vandemolen on November 02, 2019, 07:18:29 PM
My Vitamin D is 81. Which is ok for normal persons. But my doctor told me people with allergy’s (not POIS, but pollen, dust and other) must have at least a value of 100. I use 50.000 IE once a week. When a normal person uses that amount for months his vitamine will be very high. Now I have to use 50.000 IE twice a week.
I do not think very high doses of vitamin D is healthy for POIS-patients. At least, that is my experience. I think my POIS like symptoms is because my immune system is in inbalence. That may be caused by POIS, cbd oil, antibiotics and high dose vitamin D. I stopped with the pills of 50.000 IE a week. I will use 800IE a day. That is 5600 IE a week. That is enough to keep my vitamin D ok.
Title: Re: Vitamin D
Post by: Muon on November 06, 2019, 05:57:46 PM
Looking at the poll it seems low vitamin D plays a role in POIS.
Title: Re: Vitamin D
Post by: demografx on November 06, 2019, 06:15:56 PM
From the co-founder of POISCenter:




Great to see movement! I’m really happy that we're getting down to business!

I'm taking vitamin D daily and there's more sunshine as well. I have little to no POIS for the moment. In the winter it shows up a little bit more, but still not too bad.

Don't know if it's because I'm older, lower testosterone, but the
Vitamin D definitely works
.

Emphasis mine - - Demo


Note: Daveman’s POIS began after a vasectomy reversal. Demo
Title: Re: Vitamin D
Post by: Muon on November 11, 2019, 11:04:55 AM
It seems the results are shielded from the public. Here are they as of November 11 2019:

100-50 ng/ml   - 0 (0%)

50-30   ng/ml   - 2 (4.4%)

30-20  ng/ml   - 2 (4.4%)

20-10  ng/ml   - 12 (26.7%)

<10     ng/ml   - 4 (8.9%)

I have never checked it   - 25 (55.6%)
Title: Re: Vitamin D
Post by: Nas on November 11, 2019, 11:26:21 AM
Imagine POIS was as simple as fixing a vitamin d deficiency
Title: Re: Vitamin D
Post by: demografx on November 11, 2019, 12:13:18 PM
I’d looooove to imagine that! :) :)
Title: Re: Vitamin D
Post by: Hopeoneday on November 11, 2019, 02:46:59 PM
I can read on redit a lot of suscessfuly stories about vit D.
Quite intresting to me.
Title: Re: Vitamin D
Post by: demografx on November 11, 2019, 03:10:22 PM
Link, HOD?
Title: Re: Vitamin D
Post by: Hopeoneday on November 11, 2019, 04:07:53 PM
Fwew of them :
https://www.reddit.com/r/POIS/comments/9yp36w/there_is_only_one_root_cure_for_pois_and_its/

https://www.reddit.com/r/POIS/comments/7wn1g5/cured_my_pois_with_vitamin_d_and_extremely/
Title: Re: Vitamin D
Post by: demografx on November 11, 2019, 04:14:14 PM
Thank you.
Title: Re: Vitamin D
Post by: Muon on November 11, 2019, 04:17:43 PM
Vitamin D is anti-allergic. Dr. Theoharides prescribes this to his patients with mast cell activation disorders for its anti-allergic properties even when their Vit D level is normal.
Title: Re: Vitamin D
Post by: demografx on November 11, 2019, 04:27:18 PM
Interesting.
Title: Re: Vitamin D
Post by: Nas on November 11, 2019, 04:30:04 PM
Guess I'll start chugging some vitamin d pills.
Title: Re: Vitamin D
Post by: Muon on November 19, 2019, 02:08:08 PM
Metabolism of vitamin D and the Vitamin D Receptor (https://mpkb.org/home/pathogenesis/vitamind/metabolism)

I wonder what the Vitamin D metabolite ratio's are in POIS patients.

Title: Re: Vitamin D
Post by: Muon on February 22, 2020, 12:53:47 PM
"...vitamine D deficiency by laboratoria criteria is often present in MCAS [192], though often with no clear correlation to clinical effects..."

Presentation, Diagnosis, and Management of Mast Cell Activation Syndrome (https://www.jillcarnahan.com/downloads/MCAS-Afrin.pdf)

Title: Re: Vitamin D
Post by: maronti on February 22, 2020, 01:03:16 PM
Maybe I should check my Vitamin D? I probably don't get enough in winter since I live up north and I've noticed some SAD symptoms. Not sure if thats connected though.
Title: Re: Vitamin D
Post by: Muon on February 23, 2020, 12:27:20 PM
Perhaps restoring released mediators takes up vitamin D. Or mast cell activity inflames the gastrointestinal tract impairing vit D uptake.
Title: Re: Vitamin D
Post by: drop247 on February 23, 2020, 07:22:03 PM
Be careful with Vitamin D you don't become very deficient in magnesium. Most people are deficient already but large doses of Vitamin D will make it worse. Magnesium deficiency is a serious mast cell trigger.

https://naturalcalm.ca/dont-overdose-on-vitamin-d/ (https://naturalcalm.ca/dont-overdose-on-vitamin-d/)
Title: Re: Vitamin D
Post by: b_jim on February 24, 2020, 05:11:49 AM
Very surprising. I would like the complete study.
Title: Re: Vitamin D
Post by: demografx on February 24, 2020, 08:25:35 AM
Hello, b_jim, if the complete study link (URL or DOI) is placed here, it can be read for FREE:
https://sci-hub.se/
Title: Re: Vitamin D
Post by: Muon on June 16, 2020, 10:49:41 AM
Updated results 16-6-2020:

100-50 ng/ml    1 (1.7%)

50-30   ng/ml    3 (5.1%)

30-20  ng/ml     4 (6.8%)

20-10  ng/ml    13 (22%)

<10     ng/ml    6 (10.2%)

I have never checked it   32 (54.2%)
Title: Re: Vitamin D
Post by: Hopeoneday on October 09, 2020, 01:35:40 PM
Enyone diagnozed with kidneys-liver isues, fat malapsorbtion isues?
https://medlineplus.gov/vitaminddeficiency.html

What causes vitamin D deficiency?

You can become deficient in vitamin D for different reasons:

You don't get enough vitamin D in your diet
You don't absorb enough vitamin D from food (a malabsorption problem)
You don't get enough exposure to sunlight.
Your liver or kidneys cannot convert vitamin D to its active form in the body.
You take medicines that interfere with your body's ability to convert or absorb vitamin D

Who is at risk of vitamin D deficiency?

Some people are at higher risk of vitamin D deficiency:

Breastfed infants, because human milk is a poor source of vitamin D. If you are breastfeeding, give your infant a supplement of 400 IU of vitamin D every day.
Older adults, because your skin doesn't make vitamin D when exposed to sunlight as efficiently as when you were young, and your kidneys are less able to convert vitamin D to its active form.
People with dark skin, which has less ability to produce vitamin D from the sun.
People with disorders such as Crohn's disease or celiac disease who don't handle fat properly, because vitamin D needs fat to be absorbed.
People who have obesity, because their body fat binds to some vitamin D and prevents it from getting into the blood.
People who have had gastric bypass surgery
People with osteoporosis
People with chronic kidney or liver disease.
People with hyperparathyroidism (too much of a hormone that controls the body's calcium level)
People with sarcoidosis, tuberculosis, histoplasmosis, or other granulomatous disease (disease with granulomas, collections of cells caused by chronic inflammation)
People with some lymphomas, a type of cancer.
People who take medicines that affect vitamin D metabolism, such as cholestyramine (a cholesterol drug), anti-seizure drugs, glucocorticoids, antifungal drugs, and HIV/AIDS medicines.
Title: Re: Vitamin D
Post by: Limejuice on October 10, 2020, 12:05:57 AM
I take a vitamin D3 supplement (1000 IUs), originally suggested by a Dr, and it does wonders for my mood and strength... of all things. It works almost immediately (within 24 hours) and is usually safe, cheap, and easy to try. Of course consult a Dr though.
Title: Re: Vitamin D
Post by: BoneBroth on November 04, 2020, 04:47:57 PM
Vitamin-D, magnesium and zink are included in most testosterone-boosting protocols.
Title: Re: Vitamin D
Post by: Hopeoneday on November 14, 2020, 06:09:37 PM
Another one cure https://www.reddit.com/r/POIS/comments/jteqfi/1_month_pois_free_what_i_did/