Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (P.O.I.S.)

POIS Cause/Treatment Discussions => Hormonal Causes and Treatments => Topic started by: ZombieRehab on October 06, 2017, 10:22:54 PM

Title: Iodine
Post by: ZombieRehab on October 06, 2017, 10:22:54 PM
I've been trying something different for about two months that seems to be working and wanted to share. I don't see any other posts on this, so I'm starting a new thread.

A podcast I was listening to was discussing how semen contains lots of iodine. This caught my attention. So i looked up iodine and its connection to thyroid hormones.

I added a twice per day iodine supplement for the two or three days after ejaculation. And began feeling *much* better within a day. I've been testing it for about 2 months now, and it has been reliable so far for me. I still feel crappy for about 20 hours after O, but am feeling like myself usually by the end of the next day. Specifically, with the supplement, I have O, sleep, wake up in the morning feeling an intense brain fog and grogginess for about 12 hours of the day, often with a flavor of anxiety and bodily inflammation. With the new supplement, my mind begins to clear toward the end of this first day and I feel fairly normal. I begin to feel energized again on the second day.

For research purposes, or for anybody trying to compare results, I would comment that I always make a point to seek out at least 15 minutes of cardio exercise the day after O, which seems to be essential for me (but maybe makes me feel 30% better and not 100%). With iodine, I'm feeling about 80% better within about 24 hours, and close to normal around 36 hours. I'm not on any prescription drugs. I eat super healthy... gluten free, sugar free, vegetarian.

I take a few supplements beyond what I'm needing for POIS, but this is the first time I've ever had an iodine supplement. My iodine supplement is a thyroid support mix (but didn't add any vitamins I wasn't previously taking--iodine was the only thing new in it, and thus I'm fairly sure the difference is the iodine). So what I'm actually taking each day is:

400mcg iodine (from kelp)
100mcg B12 (methylcobalamin)
15mg zinc (zinc oxide)
200mcg selenium (selenium amino acid chelate)
2mg copper (copper oxide)
2mg manganese (manganese bisglycinate chelate)
75 mg molybdenum (molybdenum amino acid chelate)
300Mg L-tyrosine
250mg Schizandra
1,000 mg Vitamin C (Super Bio C Buffered)
2500 IU Vitamin D3
500mg Niacin (flush) 2x/week

What I have not done yet is go to the doctor... I'm guessing seeing an endocrinologist might be wise at some point.

If any of you decide to test iodine, or know why this might be helping me, I'd like to hear back from you.
Title: Re: Iodine
Post by: b_jim on October 07, 2017, 02:01:38 AM
Very good job :)

"A podcast I was listening to was discussing how semen contains lots of iodine"

I would like to be sure this point is true.
Some guy herer think fluor may cause thyroid dysfunction.
Maybe a link ?

Title: Re: Iodine
Post by: Quantum on October 07, 2017, 09:42:39 AM
Hi ZombieRehab,

Thanks for sharing your experiments and results, it is always useful to gather more information.

Your post remembered me of some other members who had success with helping their thyroid ( for those not familiar with this, iodine is linked to the thyroïd).

Mellivora have shared that his POIS started just after a radio-iodine treatment, after which he went in hypothyroidism ( again, for all members, that means a thyroid function too low, not producing enough thyroid hormone - consequence is a general slowing down of body metabolism, triggering symptoms like fatigue.  Taking Iodine is way to stimulate the thyroid gland).  See Mellivora's post at

Another post related to thyroid, where a member shares that his post his almost completely gone after having his thyroid function checked and balance, as well as iron level and cortisol.  See his post for details : .  ( His POIS now just last a few hours or so)  .  However, in his few follow up posts, it seems that he had problems to tolerate T4, and stopped the treatment.  He is no more active on the forum, so hard to say what finally happened.

Let me know if you still have success after another few months, and I will be happy to add a Iodine/thyroid Type in my POIS Type Chart. 

Title: Re: Iodine
Post by: ZombieRehab on October 07, 2017, 10:00:19 AM
Hi, B_Jim,

I'm not sure I'm supposed to post direct links, but to answer your questions, I've been reading and listening to biohacking podcasts. I think the one I'm referencing is: Bulletproof Podcast: How Our Toxic Environment Is Impacting Our Sexy Brains and Hormones ? Dr. Lindsey Berkson ? #418.

There are also quite a few articles on biohacking sites about rubbing iodine on the body to increase testosterone.

While experimental, those are the types of information that had me experimenting with iodine.

To answer your question about the iodine content of semen in a less subjective way:

"Semen iodine. The median of iodine levels in semen was 12.6 (12.2) μg/l (minimum of 0.1 and maximum of 34.4 μg/l). In semen, there was a significant difference in iodine levels between men who consumed iodized or non-iodized salt (16.5 (9.3) μg/l and 11.7 (7.8) μg/l, respectively) (p = 0.019)."
Quoted from:
Reproductive Toxicology
Volume 73, October 2017, Pages 1-7
Reproductive Toxicology
Article: "Iodine is associated to semen quality in men who undergo consultations for infertility"

I'll let you all know what I find over the next few months as I keep testing this.
Title: Re: Iodine
Post by: b_jim on October 07, 2017, 02:58:13 PM
Very nice. 10 ejaculations = 1 daily recomanded dose
Does our thyroid drop after ejaculation ?
Clearly after ejaculation I feel COLD.
Title: Re: Iodine
Post by: ZombieRehab on October 10, 2017, 11:47:12 PM
Hearing that it is 10% of a daily dose released has me considering other pathways, other than too much iodine being directly released... I want to share some thoughts.

Mostly, I'm pondering the effects of other halides in the body (fluorine, bromine especially), which substitute for iodine in the body in a detrimental way, including in thyroid function (I've spent the evening looking at research abstracts on the subject on the internet and will post some snippets below...) Fluorine, of course being in tap water and toothpaste. Bromides being in flame retardants (almost all sofas, airplanes, hotel furniture & carpet), most commercial wheat flour, etc. And, apparently, human exposure to bromine and fluorine being much lower back in pre-modern times.

The percentage of the hormone & enzyme molecules in the body containing iodine, versus being replaced with bromine or fluoride would theoretically be dependent on the concentration of each element. So without a supplement, my environmental exposure to bromine and fluoride could be higher than my intake of iodine. Thus, thyroid function could essentially be shut down by a proportional lack of iodine. In that instance, taking an iodine supplement would increase the proportion of iodine atoms, increasing thyroid function and hormonal balance?

What's missing is tying that to what happens at ejaculation. In this bromide-fluoride toxicity theory, ejaculation would probably need to be tied to some strain on the thyroid (for example, creating new hormone molecules after ejaculation such as T3, T4, LH ? (related to testosterone?), but having those new hormones be deformed or the thyroid itself struggle due to low iodine concentration). And this strain would need to be specific to a subgroup of us with POIS, perhaps even a genetically-based sensitivity to bromides or fluorides. I'm not sure what the thyroid's role is after ejaculation, so that's where I am right now in my thinking.

I want to attach a few interesting research snippets related to how bromide and fluoride interact with iodine in the body, here:

I'll include proper bibliographical info in case you want to look it up:
Biol Trace Elem Res. 1996 Sep;54(3):207-12. Interaction of bromine with iodine in the rat thyroid gland at enhanced bromide intake. Vobeck? M1, Babick? A, Lener J, Svandov? E.

In experiments with rats, we have found that at enhanced intake of bromide, bromine does not replace chlorine in the thyroid; it replaces iodine. Under our experimental conditions, more than one-third of the iodine content in the thyroid was replaced by bromine. In the thyroid, bromine probably remained in the form of bromide and, in proportional to its increased concentration, the production of iodinated thyronines decreased, with the sum of the iodine and bromine concentrations being constant at the value of 20.51 +/- 1.16 mumol/g dry wt of the thyroid. In contrast to other organs, the biological behavior of bromine in the thyroid is not similar to the biological behavior of chlorine but resembles more that of iodine."

Springerplus. 2014; 3: 7. Published online 2014 Jan 3. doi:  10.1186/2193-1801-3-7 PMCID: PMC3890436
A comparative study of fluoride ingestion levels, serum thyroid hormone & TSH level derangements, dental fluorosis status among school children from endemic and non-endemic fluorosis areas
Navneet Singh,corresponding author Kanika Gupta Verma,corresponding author Pradhuman Verma,corresponding author Gagandeep Kaur Sidhu,corresponding author and Suresh Sachdevacorresponding author

Fluoride and iodine are both halogens. The fluoride, the negative ion of the element fluorine easily displaces iodine in the body because it is much lighter and therefore more reactive. In fact the activity of any one of the halogens is inversely proportion to its atomic weight. In other words, one halogen can displace another one of a higher atomic weight but cannot displace one of lower weight thereby, results fluoride- thyroid-iodine antagonism which in turn lead to interference with iodine uptake."

Iodine supplementation markedly increases urinary excretion of fluoride and bromide -- Letters to the Editor. Published online: http:// www . wachters . com/printarticle.php?newsID=109
(Remove the spaces to access the link)

This is a research review letter, with several interesting quotes:

"There was a progressive increase in urinary levels of fluoride and bromide with increasing intake of the preparation. The highest urinary levels were observed following 3 tablets. These high levels persisted even after one month on 3 tablets. The table presents the results obtained in a male subject following a single dose of one, two and three tablets; and after one month on 3 tablets of this preparation. He did not reach iodine sufficiency even after one month on 3 tablets/day. Based on the results of the loading test, the body is considered iodine sufficient when at least 90% of the oral amount is excreted in the 24h urine collection. Urinary iodine levels in this subject were 149.6 uM/24h or 19 mg/24h representing only 51% of the dose."

"These high levels persisted even after one month of supplementation at 3 tablets/day, being 15 times baseline level for fluoride, and 16 times for bromide. After one month, the estimated total amount of halide excreted was 24 mg fluoride and 8700mg bromide. It is unlikely that such large amounts of halides came from the thyroid gland. It would seem that the whole body is being detoxified. Orthoiodo-supplementation could be used under medical supervision to detoxify the body from unwanted halides in a manner similar to the use of EDTA for the detoxification of heavy metals."

In other words, three months into taking an iodine supplement, the person's body was still flushing accumulated bromine and fluorine, and had not yet reached a sufficient level of iodine absorption.


While none of this screams ?POIS is now solved!?, it does seem like this could be a useful direction to explore. All I know is that my iodine supplement appears to be helping very significantly, and I'm not quite sure why that might be the case...
Title: Re: Iodine
Post by: b_jim on October 11, 2017, 01:27:34 AM
I will try a iodine supplement soon.
My Pois came slowlly I didn't get all the symptoms the first years.
It seems taurine may regulate thyroid functions.

Do you live far from sea ?
Title: Re: Iodine
Post by: Quantum on October 11, 2017, 08:52:54 AM
Interesting thread.

There is no question for me about wether or not fluoride is toxic - it is.  It has no place in organic biochemistry. 

That's why I have been using non-fluoride toothpaste for years.  The one I use contains hydoxylapatite, which remineralize teeth naturally.  I do not eat refined sugar and sweet, so I do not need this toxin disguised as a gift to prevent dental decay.....It is quite pathetic that we give people fluoride so they can eat junk sweets...  hmmmm....

It is also known that fluoride crystals accumulate in the pineal gland,and the real effects of this are not known yet, since the pineal gland is not very well known by current medical science, but it is surely not a good thing.   Moreover, If you believe the pineal gland has anything to do with intuition or level of consciousness, you can suppose that a calcified pineal gland leads to be very shortsighted, blunting creativity and intuition.  Even if we don't know for sure about its real purpose, it is not nature's intent to have the pineal gland calcified with fluoride crystals anyway, it's only another example of toxic additive that are given to every human being, without explaining the possible downsides  ( same as MSG, aspartame, nitrites, HFGS, and so on). 

Be safe in your iodine dosage, as excess iodine is as harmful as lack of iodine,  For the benefit of all members, the recommended daily allowance of iodine for adults is 150 micrograms (mcg) per day, and it is recommended to avoid daily doses over 1100 mcg - see . Blood tests are the best way to know about your real thyroid function status, and it is best adjusted with the help of a health practitioner.

Let us know, ZR and b_jim,  about your medium to long term results.

Title: Re: Iodine
Post by: Quantum on December 28, 2017, 04:53:40 PM
Hi ZombieRehab,

Any update about iodine supplements ?
Title: Re: Iodine
Post by: Hopeoneday on December 31, 2017, 11:55:48 AM
This HUGE make sense to me. Maybe in our ilnes 2+2=T3
Take a look at this link.

A lot and a lot conections due to symptoms and suplements due to poisers.
maybe this si the reason why ginger extract and odher suplements help a lot to some poisers,
its simply help in conversion t4 to t3 and icncrise bodly recetors of t3 and supres reverse t3 action.
Acording to this link it is related to liver detox as well and gut related isues because metabolic and
t4 , t3 conversions lag if somethin is wrong there.

I wana go in new year tested this things. But i am slowly out of budget because i am spending a lot of mony on suplements to find some stuf to get some realefe.

I yust simply fell that some receptors in my body dont work properly. In long period of apstinence i hawe bulding some strange energy in my body, an that is not normal energy, (i precisly know when i am feling good 100% body and mind), after surwiving day 2, 3 of pois, on day 9 and 10..11 of abstinence i feel that in my body day by day some presure bulding from botom of bady and traveling slowly in uper region of body, wery strange, lack of energy my arms ang legs geting colder and colder that mean circulation is worsening in abstinece, and my heart is fealing like is so "weak" dont know how to discribe this...when O I get 2,3 days severe pois , but on day 1 after O i get realef from builded presure of abstinece and i fel that my blod reach my legs and arms and feel that  that my body traying to balance hormone , transmiters etc and than haper worst hit of pois on day 2. And like that on and on and on.....

low testasteron link

Title: Re: Iodine
Post by: b_jim on January 01, 2018, 03:27:16 AM
Very good work :)
For the new year I start new supplements : iodine and tyrosine.
Let's see what happens :)
Title: Re: Iodine
Post by: Hopeoneday on January 06, 2018, 08:31:44 AM
I went to all labs near me and they cant test antibodies and reverse t3.

Post from POIS_DICK who is full recover by taking T3 because he is lack from T4 to T3 conversion.

He is recover full by taking T3.   

Panel tested which is: TSH,FT3, FT4, total t3, total t4, reverse t3, and antibodies.

Could eny one can be tested for this? I cant find doctor and lab for this in my contry to be tested.

Intresting- evan if lab is in range people have symptomps

The key is that inflamation in body couses decrease conversion from unactive  T4 to active T3.
Title: Re: Iodine
Post by: b_jim on January 06, 2018, 09:30:09 AM
Be safe in your iodine dosage, as excess iodine is as harmful as lack of iodine,  For the benefit of all members, the recommended daily allowance of iodine for adults is 150 micrograms (mcg) per day, and it is recommended to avoid daily doses over 1100 mcg - see .

Thanks. I will just test 1 caps before orgasm next week.
Title: Re: Iodine
Post by: Hopeoneday on January 06, 2018, 02:35:54 PM
Yes take care B-Jim, star with dailay recomended dosage. But is this help? I mean , taking iodine "if we cant convert" t4 to T3 and receptors not working propery?
Title: Re: Iodine
Post by: b_jim on January 06, 2018, 03:19:26 PM
It's very very possible that it will not work. But I prefer make a test instead of wasting my time to search if it will work or not. 1 or 2 caps of iodine will not kill me.
My Tsh is normal but I didn't test it in Pois.
Title: Re: Iodine
Post by: Hopeoneday on January 06, 2018, 05:18:02 PM
You are wright. Maybe it will work , newer knows.
A am teset by now from food source iodine, more than recomended daily dosage and didnt notice eny improvment but myabe from food ve cant apsorb well...

Starting coconot oil bio cold presed 3 tespoons a day.

Tested spirulina large daily dosage -no improvment(rich in trypofan ,tayrosine...)

I am redy to travel in country nex to may to test tyroid antibodies t3 reverse etc.

Title: Re: Iodine
Post by: b_jim on January 07, 2018, 08:09:16 AM
Ah yes. :/ I didn't remember but I tried coconut oil 10 years ago without success.
If it does not work, I will keep it in case of power plant accident :p
Title: Re: Iodine
Post by: Quantum on January 07, 2018, 10:10:28 AM
I use organic coconut oil in my smoothies, and in my diet in general, replacing butter ( yes, I love it on my toasts :) ).  Didn't notice it was a good source of iodine, I take it mainly for the healthy fats it contains, Medium-chain triglycerides (MCTs), which are easy to digest and are excellent from a dietary point of view - see "Dietary Relevance" and "Medical Relevance" at , for more details.
Title: Re: Iodine
Post by: b_jim on January 07, 2018, 04:41:55 PM
I used to cook banana in coconut oil and flming it with rum :p Miam !
Title: Re: Iodine
Post by: demografx on January 07, 2018, 08:45:52 PM
I used to cook banana in coconut oil and flming it with rum :p Miam !
For taurine?
Title: Re: Iodine
Post by: b_jim on January 08, 2018, 03:31:47 AM
Oh no, for my pleasure only :)
Title: Re: Iodine
Post by: demografx on January 08, 2018, 03:54:00 AM

Oh no, [cuisine photo below is] for my pleasure only :)

Oh! :)

Looks   d e l i c i o u s  !!

Please send me some via FedEx! ;D


Title: Re: Iodine
Post by: b_jim on January 08, 2018, 04:45:02 PM
Why not but when you will receive the bananas, they will be no so good. :/
You should try to do it yourself. But be careful with fire !
Title: Re: Iodine
Post by: demografx on January 08, 2018, 05:51:13 PM
;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Iodine
Post by: demografx on January 08, 2018, 05:54:04 PM

...when you will receive the bananas, they will be not so good. :/


Title: Re: Iodine
Post by: Hopeoneday on January 08, 2018, 06:49:38 PM
Wtx is this? are starting warry me a litle :)  , you start talking only bananas :) 

Intresting article and reports down there
Title: Re: Iodine
Post by: b_jim on January 09, 2018, 06:19:14 AM
There is point I like a lot is the fact that a person with hypothyroidism feels cold.
And each time during winter, I feel cold quickly after ejaculation. Even taurine can't counter this symptom.

I have my iodine caps. Testing it soon.
Title: Re: Iodine
Post by: demografx on January 10, 2018, 04:04:35 PM
Wtx is this? are starting warry me a litle :)  , you start talking only bananas :) 
Yes we have all gone...bananas!
Title: Re: Iodine
Post by: Hopeoneday on January 12, 2018, 07:33:17 PM
Wery intresting- liver, inflamation, suplements, guts isues, food intolerances...
Title: Re: Iodine
Post by: b_jim on January 18, 2018, 03:12:36 PM
Hours following ejaculation I'm very sensible to cold. Yesterday, I had painfull hands and finger after spending time working out. The temperature was cold but normal (0-1°C). We'll see if iodine may influence this symptom.

edit : I took 225 ug of iodine, without improvement.
I will try several times then I will try Tyrosine.
Title: Re: Iodine
Post by: JohnJames on October 22, 2018, 02:55:49 PM
There are some people out there doing an "Iodine Loading" protocol thing, which involves taking many many times more than the RDA. Some people are having alot of good success with it with autoimmune diseases.


Which has an interesting discussion on it. Seems some people think Halide poisoning is implicated in many autoimmune diseases.

I actually still think the gut is the culprit here atleast for me, and I would guess the reason why people on high dose iodine is successful is because iodine maybe has antimicrobial properties in the gut which would potentially remove/reduce the number of pathogenic bacteria in the microbiome?

Add that in with the salt loading they do, which also has antimicrobial properties.