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Title: Reflections: What I have learned and what I'm yet to fully comprehend.
Post by: quiteQuiet on February 14, 2024, 02:47:35 PM
Hello everyone.

I'm male and in my twenties. I have this struggle since puberty, so that makes it about 15 years. I have flu like symptopms, fatique etc. on a physical level and also asperger like symptoms really when I have a pois episode that usually last a week.

Looking back, luckily I picked up 2 things subconciously when I was younger that helped me a lot:
1. Exercise in the morning helps me. 2. Eggs for breakfast help me.
I didn't do that every day as I didn't fully make the connection or I was too tired in the first few days, but often I did and it helped me get out of an pois episode quicker.
In my 20's I learned about pois and was so taken a back that I'm not the only one who experiences this issue after orgasm. In the beginning with the little money I had I started buying one supplement every other month but focused more on eating healthy i.e. buying healthy foods when I moved out.
I tried zink. Also bought niacin (in the form of tablets with flush effect) for the first time. But those did not help. Actually zink might have helped to shorten it by a day or two. But no major progress.

Then I learned that I also get pois symptoms after having intercourse. This was a major upset. This makes me question, for the first time, if I will get married. I mean in the long term. If I could even sustain that lifestyle or if there are women out there whose lifestyle would match mine. As I need to live super disciplined, eat very healthy, ideally have only healthy foods outside and also in my house too, also prefer not to have streaming services like netflix etc. as I want to minimize the probabilty of getting nocturnal emissions etc. I must say I love most healthy foods anyways so that's alright with  me. But I can get tempted to indulge and distract myself especially after a pois episode starts, so I make sure to not have any sugary or processed foods in my fridge to be frank with you.

So when I saw that pois was hindering me from getting to a better stage in my life, I went to a couple specialists but eventually I gave it up as I had no time or energy left and just focused on doing research myself whenever I could, and so I read up also a bit on here.
I have tried a lot of supplements in these couple years.
The supplement that helped me the most physically is a testosterone booster. I had no means to buy it since a year but it contains tribulus terrestris. Also l-arginine and other components.
Mentally the best thing I can take is L-Theanine . This helps to calm down the anxiety, especially in social environments and helps to be able to speak more clearly. Unfortunately it's not like a magic pill, one still gets into embarrassing moments when one does not remember names of people, let's say etc. So it helps more for yourself to feel calm, especially in the first couple days I would say.
Curcuma tea works really well to clear up the acne. Sometimes I'm suprised how well it works, how after a couple days my skin is shining. So I'm really happy to find something inexpensive that helps my skin. Curcuma might also help in other ways, i.e. mood etc. Also I have of course tried niacin in powder form with a flush effect (although it is not sold here unfortunately, so it's expensive to get it). It helped me primarily with acne. And also eased the depression given I took it in a fasted state.

I also regularly take a b-vitamin complex, multivitamins and magnesium. I have been drinking a energy drink with taurine but recently bought a taurine supplement instead. So I'm testing that. Also I've been taking ginseng, perhaps that's why I have been able to retain most of my muscle mass even though I was ill lately.
All in all, I'm in a better position that I was years ago. I'm finding more a more solutions. At the same time I have many questions. Be it regarding the science behind it or why a certain supplement is said to be good for us. Also interested to talk with you and hear how you all tackle some issues. From relationships, lifestyle choices like abstinence, to doing well in a job.
Title: Re: Reflections: What I have learned and what I'm yet to fully comprehend.
Post by: Warrior on February 14, 2024, 06:02:12 PM
L-theanine and Curcuma (Turmeric) are actually methyl donors according to a few sources I have read (https://mthfrsupport.com.au/2020/07/neutralising-a-methyl-reaction-niacin-antidote-instructions/).

Eggs contain a tonne of necessary nutrients for the methylation cycle including choline, B12, iron, B2, B5, vitamin A, and folate. (https://www.australianeggs.org.au/nutrition/nutrients-and-vitamins)

What else is in the testosterone booster? When you describe what helps you, it's useful to share the specific brand/product for others.

Please also share your B complex and multi-vitamin. When it comers to the B vitamins, the main ones are B12, folate, B6, and probably choline. You need to make sure you are getting these ones correctly. By correctly, I mean in adequate amounts and the right type that works for you. I do best on methyl B12, folic acid, and any type of B6. It took me a long time to realise I needed much more than 0.5mg of folic acid per day for my methylation cycle to work properly. It was severely depleted from POIS. You may also benefit from extra methyl donors including SAM-e, TMG, and methyl versions of B12 and folate. Taking creatine can also help reduce the amount of folate you need as it spares 40-45% of SAMe production. SAMe requires folate, B12, and B6 to be synthesized.

Also be careful with the amount of niacin or nicotinamide (vitamin B3) in B complex's. Some people have had success with niacin for POIS. You will have to test this yourself to see if it's helpful. But if it isn't, it will actually deplete your methyl groups (SAMe) whenever you supplement it in high dosages. The body will get rid of the excess by methylating it out into the urine (and using up methyl groups in the process.) This is why niacin is useful in situatons where if one has adverse reactions to methyl donors (SAM-e, TMG, methylfolate, methyl B12, etc) you can take niacin 50mg every 1-2 hours until you feel better. For the lost methyl groups, it's advised by Masterjohn to take 100mg of TMG for every 100mg of niacin or nicotinamide. Taking methylated versions of B12 and folate may make up for the lost methyl groups, I'm not really sure. I know that SAMe certainly would as it's the global methyl donor.

Note: Not medical advice. I am not a doctor or medical specialist. Most of this information I have learnt from Chris Masterjohn (Phd in nutritional science.) Follow at your own risk. Sharing what has been helpful for me, and I noticed a clear link between the things you find beneficial and things that may help you further.
Title: Re: Reflections: What I have learned and what I'm yet to fully comprehend.
Post by: quiteQuiet on February 15, 2024, 04:24:43 AM
Hey, thanks man, [“Warrior”] what you write is really interesting!
I don't know much about methylation and what helps and hinders that process. So that is giving me an incentive now to learn more about it.
Also sam-e and tmg are supplements I have not tried before as I have never seen them around here. I do remember taking some of my brother's creatine before once trying to speed up recovery and I do rememberg feeling better mood wise. maybe placebo, maybe it truly helps. I will put it on my shopping list this year, definitely as creatine is easier to get a hold of than sam-e and other things.
I take a b complex that only states what b vitamins it contains. Nothing more than that on the label unfortunately. Not sure if we can put a link here but these are the one's I take https://www.biovelour.com/products/innovit-b-complex
Regarding the testo boosters, I have actually tried various different one's. I just know that if it has a lot of tribulus terrestris, fenugreek, arginine it works for me. But I will get back to you, if I find the specific one. Actually the shop where I bought mine was far away from me. And now it has closed since a year aswell. But looking back, a testosterone booster helped me the most in terms of overcoming the physical symptoms and getting my energy back, yes.

Ah, I did come across some videos of that scientist you are mentioning before. I had heard about the debate about niacin potentially being harmful in high doses. But I came to the conclusion, also based on reading the book of Dr. Hoffer that you don't need to worry much about that if the niacin you are taking is the one that gives one a flush. But right, with the regular b vitamins I need to check if it's not too high, right. I'll make sure to do that. Thank again!
Title: Re: Reflections: What I have learned and what I'm yet to fully comprehend.
Post by: quiteQuiet on February 18, 2024, 02:02:16 PM
Update: I've been taking taurine caps now for a couple weeks. I didn't notice mental benefits tbh.
My skin however is looking better than it has looked in a year. I'm looking younger. That's good.
I think it is related to taurine. But I'm not sure if it's taurine or other recently bought supplements like curcuma, or even ginseng.
Let me know your thoughts on taurine in connection with skin benefits.
Edit: Still having unexpectedly good effects on my skin. As far as what supplement is giving me those benefits, I'm starting to believe that it is actually NAC that I've been taking for a week now.
I'm glad that I found something to take when I have to/want to look my best.
Title: Re: Reflections: What I have learned and what I'm yet to fully comprehend.
Post by: quiteQuiet on February 21, 2024, 07:48:52 AM
I would like to post here an update each day for a short while in order to motivate me to get my health back (which happens after about 7 days).

Day 1:
After doing well for 3 weeks, recently I have not been doing well. It's been almost a week of every day or every second day where I had engaged in s. activity and hence a week that I don't want to ever experience again.

Right now, I'm feeling tired. I tried to exercise. I felt I was at 30 percent of my strength. But atleast I did something.
Also the issue was pain in my elbow that the inflammation caused.
So my motivation is to be able to workout out where it is fun again.
But it's better to take it easy for a while I understand. My plan is to only do cardio and rehab exercises for the elbow for a week or two while my health improves and the inflammation goes down.

Foods/Supplements:
My goal is to stop drinking coffee. I've bought some decaf coffee a while back but have been drinking 1-2 cups of regular coffee when I'm outside.
My goal is also to stop consuming processed sugar i.e. in teas that I drink (3-4 teas a day).
I know this is a big change in lifestyle. I think when I can make these 2 changes this year then that's still amazing.
I think I will start with cutting out coffee first, but after hitting 7 days. First goal should be now to overcome this episode and get the health on base level again.
I will continue with the supplements like nac etc. I will try to be positive. And forgive myself if I don't manage to do everything as I envision in the first 7 days.
Title: Re: Reflections: What I have learned and what I'm yet to fully comprehend.
Post by: quiteQuiet on February 22, 2024, 11:41:34 AM
Now feeling slightly better.
Did a 20 minute cardio session and it was alright. I did not think I would be able to do it, so that's a good sign.
Ate eggs for breakfast. I think that helped as I'm not feeling as down as I expected. Didn't even drink coffee today, so the slight progress is motivating me.
Title: Re: Reflections: What I have learned and what I'm yet to fully comprehend.
Post by: quiteQuiet on March 04, 2024, 02:52:56 PM
I didn't have a good week truth be told. After 3-4 days I would fall for the habit because I felt so bad pois symptoms and that tempted me to be honest.
I did have success with cutting out all coffee for 7 days, for that I'm proud of myself as I drank it every day.
In terms of the supplements, I am a bit disappointed as the ones that I'm taking don't seem to help much.
What I have been taking for weeks now is taurine and had. And the usual vitamin, magnesium etc.

 After 4 days when I had an O. (1 time) I got so severe cough I don't remember ever having that. A dry cough that is. Now it's better luckily. But having hard time coming out of this loop at the moment not gonna lie.
Title: Re: Reflections: What I have learned and what I'm yet to fully comprehend.
Post by: Progecitor on March 04, 2024, 03:25:58 PM
I didn't have a good week truth be told. After 3-4 days I would fall for the habit because I felt so bad pois symptoms and that tempted me to be honest.
I did have success with cutting out all coffee for 7 days, for that I'm proud of myself as I drank it every day.
In terms of the supplements, I am a bit disappointed as the ones that I'm taking don't seem to help much.
What I have been taking for weeks now is taurine and had. And the usual vitamin, magnesium etc.

 After 4 days when I had an O. (1 time) I got so severe cough I don't remember ever having that. A dry cough that is. Now it's better luckily. But having hard time coming out of this loop at the moment not gonna lie.

I am glad you have managed to abstain from coffee for so long, but if in the future you succumb to its allure again you may try the filtering method. I would still get a bad reaction when drinking a lot of filtered coffee, but the harm is certainly less than it was before.
https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=3066.0
Title: Re: Reflections: What I have learned and what I'm yet to fully comprehend.
Post by: quiteQuiet on March 10, 2024, 09:31:54 PM
Thank you for your recommendation, actually I did leave coffee by switching to decaf coffee :)
It did help me with emotions, so rather indirectly with pois.
At the same time, I have to share that I learned something about how decaf coffee is made that was rather unsettling.
Lately, to be frank, after the decaf ran out I bought regular coffee again. So, ideally we want to switch to an alternative like cacao, ginger tea or something of that nature.
Title: Re: Reflections: What I have learned and what I'm yet to fully comprehend.
Post by: quiteQuiet on March 18, 2024, 01:21:31 PM
I had a successful recovery for almost 10 days and felt healthy again, was exercising regularly again since almost a week. But I had a emission once. My body is acting up again, twiching fibers in my arms, even stomach. I took some matcha green tea, still like that.

I was hoping that it would make me calmer. I felt anger and was cursing under my breath a lot. I don't know what I can do to not feel so much of this emotion. I go for walks in nature and try my best. But nothing seems to help that much really. Please suggest something like a supplement.

Edit:
I took apple cider vinegar with water afterwards. Fasted for 18 hours, took acv again, exercised doing cardio, took cold shower, and after a day I felt better. I think acv helped me somewhat. Of course also that it was only 1 time in a relatively long time of abstinence. Maybe acv could help me?! I'm reading it can potentially increase testosterone. I would be so happy if this cheap and widely popular household item helps me to recover :)
I will try to not forget taking it tomorrow aswell and report to you guys if it seemed to improve my situation.
Title: Re: Reflections: What I have learned and what I'm yet to fully comprehend.
Post by: quiteQuiet on March 24, 2024, 05:00:35 PM
After months I bought niacin with flush again. I have had a week where I did O a couple times. I think niacin has helped me. I am glad I got it again. Also I have been taking acv but forget it often. So I dont know what exactly it is. Actually I think I will not buy taurin, and other Supplements again. Even nac. Lets give my body a break. Only niacin, multi vitamin and the rest from foods - thats what I am thinking.
Title: Re: Reflections: What I have learned and what I'm yet to fully comprehend.
Post by: quiteQuiet on April 24, 2024, 04:20:37 PM
Update: brought reishi today and felt better. Surprisingly better. Previously like years ago I was taking one supplement that had different mushrooms in it. And that helped a lot (but they don't have them anymore).
Now I brought reishi separately. Praying that it is reishi that had that positive effect.
Actually I remember also buying cordyceps once and that helped too.
Title: Re: Reflections: What I have learned and what I'm yet to fully comprehend.
Post by: quiteQuiet on April 27, 2024, 01:51:49 PM
Update: Man, I'm feeling so much better today (4 days post O). I am laughing and being humorous like in the past.
I have been taking reishi for 3 days. Today I took creatine for the first time in my life.
I don't know what it is. I was even a bit under the weather before I had the orgasm. I believe the reishi mushroom cured me of that (immune system) and raised the testosterone a little. And then taking creatine perhaps had also an effect. I hope so. Also some time has passed, that is also a factor for sure. But I am having some hope again that my health will improve :)
Title: Re: Reflections: What I have learned and what I'm yet to fully comprehend.
Post by: quiteQuiet on May 13, 2024, 11:32:27 AM
Update: Been taking creatine for 2 weeks or more. Also Reishi around the same time. Also taking NAC, ginseng and licorice root since a week. Taking vitamin D high dose for a couple days. Also been eating less sugar for weeks and often opting for honey.
I have been contemplating if in my case it's really CFS instead of pois that gets even more active after an O. I have come across the book "HERBAL REMEDIES FOR CHRONIC FATIGUE SYNDROME" that talks about supplements like ginseng, ginkgo, licorice and some others. Really amazing piece. Recommend it.
How is my health now: Well I noticed that I still get pois, I was ill suddenly. Damn, how bad I felt. After weeks of improving. But I noticed I recovered quicker, atleast physically that is. After 4-5 days I am essentially 100% recovered. I must be patient in those 4-5 days and not resort to coffee and energy drinks, max 1 cup a day, otherwise I don't recover in that time period. But somethings been working, I believe, I think it is the reishi supplement or ginseng. But might be creatine aswell. Hard to tell. Maybe all 3 together. My skin has improved a lot, this I'm certain is because of NAC.
So all in all, the physical aspect has improved lately. Just with the mental aspect, I have not made as much progress. I bought CBD yesterday for the first time, I will try that. Today I could, albeit it was slow, finally focus a little and read a book again after weeks if not a month or two, which made me really happy, sign that my mind is recovering.
Title: Re: Reflections: What I have learned and what I'm yet to fully comprehend.
Post by: quiteQuiet on May 15, 2024, 05:55:15 AM
Feeling really good. Jogging without taking breaks. Reading everyday. Able to communicate well. Life is good again.


I think also what might have helped the mental side is taking a sleep supplement that has tryptophan and valerian among others.
Title: Re: Reflections: What I have learned and what I'm yet to fully comprehend.
Post by: quiteQuiet on May 18, 2024, 02:27:31 PM
Interestingly, I felt way way worse after waking up to a WD in the morning, than after waking up haven had one O right before sleep. I must say I had drank ginger tea before it maybe 1-2 hours before and eaten some left over blueberries from my fridge.

It had been so long that I had a WD. I had it exactly when I was about to wake up and it ruined my whole day with pois, had arguments with people, couldn't keep my eyes open. I had chatted with strangers for a whole hour the day before and suddenly I was praying to the most high that I don't meet anyone today.
But we have to move on somehow. Somehow find a solution to wet dreams. If anyone knows about that, please share. I only know about not drinking anything in the late hours.
The good thing is I have made good progress with training which is visible. I think creatine had an effect. I can train without pain, so I have a better workout. Normally pois would cause inflammation in my joints preventing effective training, but somehow now its much better. I don't know why, but I'm happy about this.
Title: Re: Reflections: What I have learned and what I'm yet to fully comprehend.
Post by: quiteQuiet on May 20, 2024, 05:04:46 PM
My health took a u turn unfortunately. In the recent days, almost week, I was just a shadow of myself. I need to take breaks during walks on the same trail I run on without interruptions normally, just to give you an idea.
I have started a water fast, I hope I feel better tomorrow as a result. Sometimes it did help me in the past
Title: Re: Reflections: What I have learned and what I'm yet to fully comprehend.
Post by: BoneBroth on May 21, 2024, 03:57:37 AM
I belive that the reason egg works is they contain so much cholesterol. Cholesterol is a starting material for all hormones, including steroid hormones. I belive people with POIS have an excess of cortisol because of the constant inflammation. Therefore the production of cortisol takes too much raw material from other hormones so POIS'ers end up with too low testosterone and other anti-inflammatory hormones. Eating 2-6 eggs a day is a very good idea!

Oh, and my sollution against acne is vitamin C - in very large quanteties. When I'm in POIS I take like 2 g vitamin c 3-6 times a day (total about 10 g/day). That kills the acne. It works best in combination with excercise.
Title: Re: Reflections: What I have learned and what I'm yet to fully comprehend.
Post by: quiteQuiet on May 22, 2024, 01:48:15 AM
I belive that the reason egg works is they contain so much cholesterol. Cholesterol is a starting material for all hormones, including steroid hormones. I belive people with POIS have an excess of cortisol because of the constant inflammation. Therefore the production of cortisol takes too much raw material from other hormones so POIS'ers end up with too low testosterone and other anti-inflammatory hormones. Eating 2-6 eggs a day is a very good idea!

Oh, and my sollution against acne is vitamin C - in very large quanteties. When I'm in POIS I take like 2 g vitamin c 3-6 times a day (total about 10 g/day). That kills the acne. It works best in combination with excercise.

That makes sense that the benefits come from its ability to raise testosterone, yes. I remember when I was younger and we were discussing our diets in school, when I said I eat eggs everyday, people were surprised and wondering if that's healthy but I knew it was definitely healthy for me.
I didn't know that one with vitamin c, thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: Reflections: What I have learned and what I'm yet to fully comprehend.
Post by: BoneBroth on May 24, 2024, 12:11:30 PM
Yeah, eggs, butter and cholesterol have been demonised and at the same time they are pulling out thses statin medicines that lowers cholesterol even more which leads to dementia.
Title: Re: Reflections: What I have learned and what I'm yet to fully comprehend.
Post by: quiteQuiet on June 07, 2024, 06:10:13 AM
Feeling better after replacing my morning cup of coffee with matcha green tea. I can't have coffee, I'm realizing.
Also did dry fasting for almost 30 hours. I think I will do dry fasting more often as it helped me a lot, maybe not that long.
Title: Re: Reflections: What I have learned and what I'm yet to fully comprehend.
Post by: quiteQuiet on June 09, 2024, 04:06:21 AM
I believe I found a "cure" for me:
I'm not totally cured but as far as I can tell this reduces the pois episode to 3 days for me. I don't know if there will ever be a total cure, but I would be the happiest man alive if I can reduce it to 1 day eventually.


I think the psychological effects last longer than 3 days. And also the processing of everything that happened to you, with this pois stuff and in general, that's a whole new chapter.
But I'm trying meditation. Affirmations. Yoga. Breathing exercises. And I think when I stick with it, I can reduce the psychological effects too.
But I'm happy that I can wake up early with quite ease. This is huge to me. And I can start resuming my workout program after 3 days as usual pretty much.


I don't know if I will continue this diary. Maybe an update here and there. If I don't need it, then that's a good sign I think.
Title: Re: Reflections: What I have learned and what I'm yet to fully comprehend.
Post by: quiteQuiet on June 10, 2024, 10:36:51 AM
I had an orgasm last night although I wanted to abstain for a while.
I did drink pure green powder matcha tea 30 min before it as I saw that being mentioned as a cure here. Right, I also randomly did push-ups and then meditation till the tea got colder.
So as I said pois lasts as of quite recent 3 days when I follow my routine/stack that I wrote in the above thread.

Now I will see if this "matcha tea BEFORE o." works for me, or to what extend.
Today I had usual symptoms except acne. I feel my heart beating stronger. Social nervousness was present but I could visit all places and even go for a longer walk with breaks. Just once I waited till a crowd passed. But it was alright. Now it's been more than 12 hours, now I'm beginning to feel more calm. I took the supps that I mentioned, plus ginger and basil in a drink today.
I see, @Warrior mentioned exercises for vagus nerve. I will see if I can find those
Title: Re: Reflections: What I have learned and what I'm yet to fully comprehend.
Post by: Warrior on June 10, 2024, 04:11:57 PM
I had an orgasm last night although I wanted to abstain for a while.
I did drink pure green powder matcha tea 30 min before it as I saw that being mentioned as a cure here. Right, I also randomly did push-ups and then meditation till the tea got colder.
So as I said pois lasts as of quite recent 3 days when I follow my routine/stack that I wrote in the above thread.

Now I will see if this "matcha tea BEFORE o." works for me, or to what extend.
Today I had usual symptoms except acne. I feel my heart beating stronger. Social nervousness was present but I could visit all places and even go for a longer walk with breaks. Just once I waited till a crowd passed. But it was alright. Now it's been more than 12 hours, now I'm beginning to feel more calm. I took the supps that I mentioned, plus ginger and basil in a drink today.
I see, @Warrior mentioned exercises for vagus nerve. I will see if I can find those

No D3 in your method?

And yeah vagus nerve, nervous system, and cranial instability exercises. I would just play around and see if any of them help. Also Kriya Pranyama I found personally very effective.
Title: Re: Reflections: What I have learned and what I'm yet to fully comprehend.
Post by: quiteQuiet on June 11, 2024, 03:01:31 AM
2nd day woke up feeling not better, I believe because I took a cup of coffee in the evening. I regret the coffee but atleast it was pure coffee that I made from beans.
I will also try acv again. I read that it helped me once.
@Warrior thanks man, I will look those up. I don't take vitamin d regularly. Only sometimes. Sunshine helps me a lot. But I'm not sure how much supplements help me in comparison to that
Title: Re: Reflections: What I have learned and what I'm yet to fully comprehend.
Post by: Warrior on June 11, 2024, 06:22:01 AM
2nd day woke up feeling not better, I believe because I took a cup of coffee in the evening. I regret the coffee but atleast it was pure coffee that I made from beans.
I will also try acv again. I read that it helped me once.
@Warrior thanks man, I will look those up. I don't take vitamin d regularly. Only sometimes. Sunshine helps me a lot. But I'm not sure how much supplements help me in comparison to that

Re D3:

The decision is yours to make. But I would recommend you get your D3 tested to identify its serum range. You want it at least 50ng/mL and maybe higher. Inflammatory diseases appear to do better on higher serum levels. Your average GP will not tell you this.

I’m also speaking from experience. I used to work an outdoor job in the hot summer Australian heat, so I assumed back then supplementing D3 was not going to be necessary. I got it measured back then and it was something around 30ng/mL. My specialist at the time told me it was ok but could probably be improved. I kind of brushed over it thinking how on earth would I be low on D3 when I was getting all of that sun.

Many months later I discovered Nanna1’s protocol and by luck began supplementing the only D3 I had, which was in 7000iu dosages. I took it twice a day as that’s what his protocol suggested. It gave me huge relief that I had never experienced before, especially improvements in mood and food sensitivities. I was shocked by how higher dosages of D3 gave me so much relief.

For higher dosages you do need to take it with K2, and obviously higher serum levels you go up, higher the risk but generally speaking most would agree anything less than 70ng/mL is safe.

I personally think D3 serum levels is something many POISers overlook. They assume the sunlight they’re getting is enough or that 1000iu dosage is satisfactory. It certainly wasn’t the case in my experience.

I’m not a doctor so this isn’t me giving you medical advice. I’m simply telling you the information I wish someone had told me many years ago. Maybe the higher serum levels won’t make a difference for your POIS. You won’t really know til you investigate. Follow at your own discretion.
Title: Re: Reflections: What I have learned and what I'm yet to fully comprehend.
Post by: Hopeoneday on June 11, 2024, 10:18:13 AM
Nope, he sugested 1000ui 2x a day, not 2x7000ui.

We did proved that we almoust all of us hawe dubble genetics
mutations of vdr receptors.

We hawe threads on pois forum about vitamine D a wey long
before nanna1 invented vitamined D.

Note, take magnesium with higher doses of vit D3.
Title: Re: Reflections: What I have learned and what I'm yet to fully comprehend.
Post by: quiteQuiet on June 11, 2024, 10:27:00 AM
Update to the 2nd day: I am feeling better now. Only in the morning I felt bad. I then ate eggs, blueberries, meat. My whole stack basically. Then I started to feel different. I was able to read a book for an hour and it didn't feel like day two. I didn't get in my morning workout. But maybe I can do it now.

@Warrior, no it's very valuable what you write, man. I appreciate it. That one can still be deficient in vitamin d even while having a job that requires being outside, that's so unexpected. I'm glad you got the test and feel better after supplementing vitamin d. That's amazing.
Title: Re: Reflections: What I have learned and what I'm yet to fully comprehend.
Post by: Warrior on June 11, 2024, 04:41:40 PM
Nope, he sugested 1000ui 2x a day, not 2x7000ui.

We did proved that we almoust all of us hawe dubble genetics
mutations of vdr receptors.

We hawe threads on pois forum about vitamine D a wey long
before nanna1 invented vitamined D.

Note, take magnesium with higher doses of vit D3.

I can understand the confusion based on my previous post. I wasn't implying Nanna1 suggested 7000iu dosages. I meant that upon attempting Nanna1's protocol, which included D3, I had to resort to the only supplement I had at the time, which was LifeExtension's 7000iu per capsule. And as per Nanna1's dosing schedule, I decided to take it twice a day minimum, which resulted in 14,000iu per day for a period of time. It was a bit of luck that led me to experience how amazing I felt on high dosages. That was more my point. Though I always kind of had it in my mind to try high dose D3 but I was discouraged as it felt a bit un-natural.

The dosages Nanna1 recommended are too small imo. https://vitamindwiki.com/Is+50+ng+of+vitamin+D+too+high%2C+just+right%2C+or+not+enough#Overview_of_the_controversy
Title: Re: Reflections: What I have learned and what I'm yet to fully comprehend.
Post by: quiteQuiet on June 12, 2024, 06:52:36 AM
Update on day 3. I'm feeling good.
I believed I pretty much fully recovered after 2 days  :) Very happy about this.
I don't know if it was the "matcha powder tea 30 min BEFORE o." advice that I followed or the guide that I have been following recently. I followed my guide to a T. Blueberriers, eggs.. supps. Also dry fasted for 18 hours. Also took vitamin d after talking to you @Warrior. And thanks also @Hopeoneday for the comment. I did more than I should have perhaps to be honest. I took about 8x1000ui as it's been raining cats and dogs here recenty.
I was able to workout last night aswell. I don't know I just feel a bit of hope now
Title: Re: Reflections: What I have learned and what I'm yet to fully comprehend.
Post by: quiteQuiet on June 13, 2024, 03:38:50 AM
Things got worse. I had 2 O's and pois returned. I don't believe this. Acne, feeling feverish. Eyes lost the spark, the glow. I found myself handsome yesterday.
While I could wake up after 8-9 hours, I think bc of high dose taurine, I feel tired and can't do the exercise that I was looking forward to.
The only good is that I've quit coffee. I believe I would feel worse if I drank it. I'm gonna drink a smoothie. And try to stay positive.
Title: Re: Reflections: What I have learned and what I'm yet to fully comprehend.
Post by: quiteQuiet on June 22, 2024, 08:19:44 AM
Update:
Had one O after doing meditation. I took nothing prior but tried stopping the O with the method with fingers that was described on a thread here. I managed to reduce it by more than 50%. Next morning I had eyes problem with redness a little bit but after doing a heavy workout and cardio, after 12 hrs Post O I had no physical symptoms. Mental symptoms were more pronounced but it was ok I was able to function alright
Title: Re: Reflections: What I have learned and what I'm yet to fully comprehend.
Post by: quiteQuiet on June 23, 2024, 03:19:36 PM
After that 1 O that I had tried to stop with the pressing on a spot method, the next night I had 1 O again. This time with no preparation or technique. This time I felt some palpitations. And in the morning I felt some pois state of worry and needed longer to get going. But I managed to exercise at that day, and surprisingly I did quite well, I did take breaks though.
So, all in all I'd say that I recovered in 2 days, from physical symptoms. I believe partly because of the good weather that I was enjoying. I do remember recovering quicker in the summer.
Still not ideal, as things like verbal fluency and extrovertedness is diminished.
Title: Re: Reflections: What I have learned and what I'm yet to fully comprehend.
Post by: quiteQuiet on June 24, 2024, 12:22:14 PM
I still think, in my case, the stack above is essentially all I can do. I might buy a testosterone booster with fenugreek again after years as I want to shorten the duration (averaging 3 days at the moment, maybe longer as I have started consuming coffee) if that's possible.
I feel more important is not forget living life still. No matter what the circumstance, to live in the now, and not in the past when we had perhaps better health. I tend to forget that sometimes.

I don't think I personally can add any more value to this forum than what has already been shared. I hope that some comments of mine were a reason for improvement for someone here.
And I don't think diving deep into the science and medicine behind it will add any more value to me or shorten the duration of pois symptoms for me, to be honest.
So I might take a break from this forum. I wish all the best to everyone :)
Title: Re: Reflections: What I have learned and what I'm yet to fully comprehend.
Post by: Gino on July 10, 2024, 08:43:12 AM
Update on day 3. I'm feeling good.
I believed I pretty much fully recovered after 2 days  :) Very happy about this.
I don't know if it was the "matcha powder tea 30 min BEFORE o." advice that I followed or the guide that I have been following recently. I followed my guide to a T. Blueberriers, eggs.. supps. Also dry fasted for 18 hours. Also took vitamin d after talking to you @Warrior. And thanks also @Hopeoneday for the comment. I did more than I should have perhaps to be honest. I took about 8x1000ui as it's been raining cats and dogs here recenty.
I was able to workout last night aswell. I don't know I just feel a bit of hope now

Hi quiteQuiet,

I just saw your post mentioning you tried matcha. Did you ever try following my matcha plus B3 pre-pack method?

The way it works for me is as a pre-pack:
- 500 mg Niacinamide tablet (also known as Nicotinamide or Non-flush B3), taken on a near empty stomach between 1-6 hours before O, and
- matcha green tea powder mixed with water (high quality, ceremonial grade matcha), taken at least 20 minutes before O.

Clarifications:
- this doesn't help me if I take it after an O. So it is a preventative method rather than a treatment.
- I haven't tried Niacin (also known as flushing type B3)
- I avoid taking more than 500 mg Niacinamide per day, and not more than a couple of times per week as it is considered a high dose.
- I start from a 'normal state', where I am not already experiencing POIS.
Title: Re: Reflections: What I have learned and what I'm yet to fully comprehend.
Post by: quiteQuiet on July 11, 2024, 03:23:45 PM
Hallo @Gino :)
Yes, right it was the thread that you wrote. I followed that method with taking matcha prior to O. once or twice and I think I recovered after 40 hours or so. So that's really amazing. I'm grateful that you wrote about that.
I did not take niacin non-flush with it though. I only have the flush version anyway as I have read a book about its benefits. Are you sure niacin non-flush is good for us people suffering with pois?
Thanks, again!
Title: Re: Reflections: What I have learned and what I'm yet to fully comprehend.
Post by: quiteQuiet on July 11, 2024, 03:36:58 PM
After a longer abstinence spanning few weeks I had more O.s than I had planned, in a couple days. So I had full blown pois, except acne. Even just walking was too much. But I started taking fenugreek and even though I had an O. again when I had not fully recovered from pois, I.e. only after 2 days, the next evening I felt alright again and could do the exercise and other things I couldn't do right after waking up.

So I'm glad I bought fenugreek again. Also I must say I started taking creatin again at the same time.
Title: Re: Reflections: What I have learned and what I'm yet to fully comprehend.
Post by: Gino on July 12, 2024, 10:23:19 AM
Hallo @Gino :)
Yes, right it was the thread that you wrote. I followed that method with taking matcha prior to O. once or twice and I think I recovered after 40 hours or so. So that's really amazing. I'm grateful that you wrote about that.
I did not take niacin non-flush with it though. I only have the flush version anyway as I have read a book about its benefits. Are you sure niacin non-flush is good for us people suffering with pois?
Thanks, again!

Hi quiteQuiet,
I have only tried my pre-pack using a Niacinamide tablet (also known as Nicotinamide or Non-flush B3). It has worked consistently for me, with close to no POIS symptoms when I follow the steps I outlined.
Sorry to hear that Niacin (flush type) isn't working for you.
Let me know if you ever try the pre-pack method using the non-flush B3.
Title: Re: Reflections: What I have learned and what I'm yet to fully comprehend.
Post by: quiteQuiet on July 21, 2024, 04:45:36 PM
I'm sure now that inflammation rises drastically when pois begins. I did a particular exercise weeks ago, when I was free from pois (2weeks), I felt some discomfort but nothing major.
Then I lost motivation and basically had multiple discharges and suddenly the discomfort that I felt weeks ago flared up and I got a tendonitis. I've had also similar experience before with other injury prone joints and tendons. Where it suddenly turned into a bigger issue and needed therapy for weeks and months. But the good thing is that when the health improves it gets better aswell, so we need to keep the head up, while doing the best we can.
Now I'm pretty much out of the pois episode. It took a bit longer bc of multiple cups of coffee a day. And also a bit less exercise bc of the injury. But didn't take a full week.
Title: Re: Reflections: What I have learned and what I'm yet to fully comprehend.
Post by: quiteQuiet on July 23, 2024, 11:10:39 AM
I followed the method with matched tea before o and also ate a piece of ginger and took supplements like fenugreek and ashwagandha prior to the o.
After about 12 hours I did some cardio exercise on the stationary bike. When I got off from the bike I felt very shaky in my legs. And also my body in general was about to shake/startle, shoulders/traps area that is. I was surprised as I never had this experience. But I just sat down drinking water before the shower. Luckily it got better.
But I'm having headaches since the O. Something that I rarely had. But we gotta try be positive
Title: Re: Reflections: What I have learned and what I'm yet to fully comprehend.
Post by: quiteQuiet on July 30, 2024, 12:25:15 AM
I have been taking ashwagandha (+ginseng) and fenugreek since more than a week (in addition to creatine). Also l-theanine since almost a week.

Had an O. I recovered pretty much after a day. I know because I woke up after only 5 hours feeling quite good in the morning. I also took NAC 600mg and Cordyceps during the day again after 6 months without it.  Also took passion flower extract (liquid form) in the last couple days. Plus, I ate broccoli each day.


I don't know which supplement exactly helped here. I think ashwagandha (+ginseng) and fenugreek raised my test levels over the last weeks. Also starting cordyceps might have improved it a little further.

Then l-theanine, Nac and even passion flower might have helped with mood, sleep and the brain in general.

Either way, I am really happy and grateful about this.
Title: Re: Reflections: What I have learned and what I'm yet to fully comprehend.
Post by: quiteQuiet on September 14, 2024, 06:23:52 AM
Update:
I'm starting to think that fenugreek is not necessary in my case.
In my post of July 11th I mentioned that I started fenugreek and creatine at the same time. Maybe it's moreso the creatine that is helping me?! Maybe I can chuck fenugreek from my list of supps and buy creatine instead of that and save money this way.

Anyways, I have been taking my supplements, following my protocol. Too many supplements lately in all truth. Pois is still very much real. But perhaps the mental pois is bigger. I think I would benefit from a silent meditation retreat. Just 1 week or 2 without any media input other than the nature sounds. But I'm sure it would be equally uncomfortable as it would be healing and tearful. Unfortunately, commitments and circumstances don't allow that.

I have been listening to calming brain wave music on youtube with good headphones as much as possible though and have realized it definitely does help a bit. Also just coupling it with nature sounds or rain sounds.
Title: Re: Reflections: What I have learned and what I'm yet to fully comprehend.
Post by: marrtintintin on September 16, 2024, 11:25:06 AM
Unfortunately egg yolks are rich in vitamin A, which according to @Iwillbeatthis could be the leading cause of pois. I recommend reding his latest posts where he explins his journey & how he got cured from pois.
I was also consulting with an ayurvedic doctor years ago and they recommended me to eat egg whites (and exclude egg yolks). This is interesting.
Title: Re: Reflections: What I have learned and what I'm yet to fully comprehend.
Post by: quiteQuiet on September 16, 2024, 03:37:16 PM
Really? Eggs causing pois, damn. I'm hearing this for the first time. Can you please link the post you are referencing, I can't find it now.
To be honest, in my case, I distinctly remember that I developed pois before including eggs in my breakfast. It became a part of my daily breakfast like 2-3 years after the onset of this. Also while I do eat eggs, I don't eat as much eggs a day as some other people, for me 2-3 eggs is more than I can eat whereas for some others it's like 5-6 eggs a day, atleast that's what I'm seeing in daily vlogs from fitness athletes and so on. I don't know if it's exaggerated.
Title: Re: Reflections: What I have learned and what I'm yet to fully comprehend.
Post by: quiteQuiet on September 20, 2024, 02:14:55 PM
Have gotten taurine again after a long time. Taking it definitely helped my sleep. When I need to wake up more early I'm gonna take taurine.

Also I have bought pomegranate juice after I saw pomegranate being as the go to for someone here. It looks like it helped to raise my testosterone levels.

Edit:
I took about 3 grams of taurine and I also took 2 tablets of melatonin (as the bottle advices). I had one ejaculation about 45 min later.

How did I feel? Well, I noticed that I was calmer and had no sudden onset of panic like heart beating much harder and so on after I took a shower.
After waking up, I had no desire or energy to workout. Except for 2-4 sets of bicep curls that I did. Throughout the day, after taking my supplements in the morning, I was not at my best but not at my worst either.

So, all in all, Taurine before O. seems to have helped a bit. I.e. it helped on the same night to not feel overwhelmed. I don't know if it had any effect beyond that hour or two. I hope so. Maybe me being more calm during that moment can decrease the length of the POIS episode and shorten it by a day or two?!
Title: Re: Reflections: What I have learned and what I'm yet to fully comprehend.
Post by: quiteQuiet on September 23, 2024, 03:53:38 PM
After 1 day I could exercise quite well.
After 2 days I was quite confident again, at least to just be present in public places with lots of people (fluency of speech will take longer).
After 3 days, I'd say I fully recovered from POIS.

I had followed my protocol, + also eaten lots of different berries, drank pomegranate juice and coconut milk each day.

Also I had taken 2-3 grams of taurine each night.

Edit:
I had also began taking L-Carnitine on the morning after my last O.  I had not taking Carnitine probably in 2 years as I didn't notice a difference in the past. Idk if this was the supplement that helped me now to recover quite quickly.
In the past I had taken on a tab or two a day I think whereas now I took 4 tabs throughout the day.
Title: Re: Reflections: What I have learned and what I'm yet to fully comprehend.
Post by: quiteQuiet on October 05, 2024, 09:29:33 AM
To preface - I have consumed way more sugar than before. And had more sexual activity. But I'm not feeling as bad as I expected.

Now I'm starting to think that pomegranate is really good for me.

Other than that I have not really introduced much change. I have also eaten more fruits aswell. But have always been a fan of those.
Title: Re: Reflections: What I have learned and what I'm yet to fully comprehend.
Post by: quiteQuiet on October 09, 2024, 06:57:03 AM
Update:
Like I reported previously, after 1 day I could exercise quite well. On the 3rd day I woke up on time, so I was happy about that. but mentally I felt worse than ever before. So I took 1 Gram of taurine. And after one hour again 1 Gram.
Also pomegranate juice.
Suddenly I felt good again.

I have some nerve twitching on my arm not gonna lie. I think bc I had one cup of coca Cola the night before. But all in all, very good.

Also I am physically in the best shape of my life. I am surprised myself as I had some pois episodes lately. I am thinking, it must be one of the Supplements that I am taking. Maybe taurine 3-6 Grams is causing it. Maybe l-carnitine. Maybe Creatine.

My guess is that Taurine is causing better sleep and regeneration. And Creatine, carnitine and pomegranate is elevating Test Levels.

Very very happy and optimistic at the moment. It looks like I will succeed in 2025 in reducing pois to 2 days. Which will be huge for me.
Title: Re: Reflections: What I have learned and what I'm yet to fully comprehend.
Post by: quiteQuiet on October 17, 2024, 03:27:43 AM
I believe I am getting one step closer to healing.

I think freshly pressed pomegranate juice is really not to be underestimated.

So, from now on I will always buy pomegranate. Also I have an idea that maca might be helpful aswell. On top of gingseng that is the staple.
Title: Re: Reflections: What I have learned and what I'm yet to fully comprehend.
Post by: quiteQuiet on October 23, 2024, 07:48:12 AM
Recently I?m having some success. I only have pois for 2 days lately. For the third time now. That is if I have sexual activity only on one day after abstinence of 5-7 days.

I have not taken new supplements really. Mostly the Stack I described above.

New is Maca complex with arginine, pomegranate etc. I have been taking carnitine since a month.
New addition is pomegranate. Fresh juice or eating the fruit each day. And fresh berries each Morning and evening. And some garlic (also before O).
Also reducing coffee from about 6 spoons to 2 spoons a day.

I take garlic, Taurine and Drink a Strong Ginger Tea about 45 min before the sexual activity. And I try my best to have 30 min before a second O.

I don?t know if this recent success will last but I am really happy. If it stays this way, then life will be better for sure.
Title: Re: Reflections: What I have learned and what I'm yet to fully comprehend.
Post by: quiteQuiet on November 07, 2024, 02:02:32 PM
Reishi in liquid form makes it easier to socialize as per my observation. Reishi in general seems to be helpful in dealing with this condition.

Recently I have not made much progress though. Although I quit coffee 2 weeks ago. I think also mentally I was under a lot of stress maybe that?s why. I have not been exercising as much, although I?m taking more walks.
Title: Re: Reflections: What I have learned and what I'm yet to fully comprehend.
Post by: quiteQuiet on November 11, 2024, 05:06:12 PM
After starting daily cardio exercise again and also muscle / home training again, I feel better :)
Title: Re: Reflections: What I have learned and what I'm yet to fully comprehend.
Post by: quiteQuiet on November 17, 2024, 10:32:09 AM
I drank pure matcha powder tea, ate garlic and ginger with honey about 45-70 min before 3 O?s (that were spaced out actually). Also took 2x 600mg NAC.
Also I smoked in this time window. And afterwards aswell.

Afterwards I drank pomegranate juice, ate berries, drank green smoothie. Also took creatine after a weeks break.

In the following morning I ate 3 eggs, drank a preworkout for the first time in my life (has taurine, arginine etc.), creatine, green smoothie, and took a ginseng+bvitamins supplement.

I don?t know what it is but I felt better than I expected. And my skin was still very clear without breakouts.
I did feel bad until noon, after about 12 hours post O. I felt better mood wise. Also not enough energy to workout. But ginseng is good at preserving muscle mass I figured, so soon I will start my routine again.

All in all, I am now of the opinion that matcha powder tea is indeed something that I want to drink before, so thanks to the OP for the idea. Also ginger and garlic.
Title: Re: Reflections: What I have learned and what I'm yet to fully comprehend.
Post by: quiteQuiet on November 26, 2024, 11:52:23 AM
It still looks like an episode lasts 2 to 3 days. Hard to say on which day I am fully cured. After 2 days my sense of humor returns, I am also able to get in some exercise with some breaks in between sets.
After 3-4 days I notice my eyes look shinier. It?s like my eyes went from 240p to 4K.

Berries are very good. Curcuma tea for the skin. Creatine and ginseng for preserving muscle mass.
Also after eating meat like chicken I notice an improvement. Also some piece of dark chocolate is good. Bananas are also good.

One of the worst things is drinking coffee, especially more than 1 cup a day. Leads more often than not to more stress and less good sleep. I started drinking coffee again and unfortunately it?s better to be avoided.
Title: Re: Reflections: What I have learned and what I'm yet to fully comprehend.
Post by: quiteQuiet on December 03, 2024, 11:52:27 AM
It lasts for 2-3 days.
I started taking mushrooms complex about 4-5 days ago. Very good choice, it helped me I?m sure.
The only issue now is that I still require more sleep than I expected/ want to sleep. Also the eyes/ under eyes become more pronounced after having an O. and the veins become visible. I don?t know if this was always the case, I noticed those a month or two ago.
If you know any tip on regards to that I would appreciate it.
Title: Re: Reflections: What I have learned and what I'm yet to fully comprehend.
Post by: quiteQuiet on December 14, 2024, 08:04:55 AM
One of the beat things is mushroom complex that contains reishi and other components.
I wish I had known that earlier, like with certainty I mean.
Also just taking niacin with flush in a fasted state is still one of the beat tips.
I think now I have learned enough to just move on. I'm thinking about moving on from pois forums. I wish everyone all the best.