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General Category => General POIS Discussions => Topic started by: Unvers on June 08, 2017, 10:33:30 AM
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Hi all, I am a male of 23 from Italy, suffered from POIS from the very first time.
I suffer of depression, social anxiety and OCD indipendently from POIS, in my case POIS works exacerbating the symptoms of these problems and making my vision blurry and eye strain.
Physical symptoms vanish in a couple of hours while psychological persist for 2-3 days.
It's difficult for me to estimate the duration of the psychological symptoms cause I tend to have them all time.
I think I am suffering an hormonal imbalance because I don't have the physical symptoms associated with the other know cause of allergy like fever or cold.
I am taking an SSRI antidepressant and it helps with depression and anxiety but it doesn't seem to reduce the symptoms of POIS and after orgasm I tend to have higher levels of depression and anxiety, never tried dietary supplement specific for POIS.
This problem is destroying my life and making me suicidal, is there any hope for a case like mine?
Thanks in advance to who will respond and sorry for bad english.
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Hello Unvers,
Welcome to the forum.
Thanks for sharing your POIS symptoms. Many folks here can relate to the first time they have visited or posted here at the forum. They will strongly identify with (sometimes overwhelming) negative feelings, because of the effect of POIS on their life and the sense of isolation it can bring.
You will find here however, a very supportive community who understand what you are going through.
Do keep taking your SSRI medication going, as it helps you.
You can also in parallel, begin a journey of learning more about what different people are doing to help reduce their symptoms. There is a lot of good content here, and you just need to be patient with yourself to get to understanding the topics being discussed and what makes most sense to you. I guess English sin't your first language, so that makes it a longer effort to read and understand :-(
Try ensure there is no conflict with your SSRI regimen. You could ask questions here if your Doctor can't. We aren't medical people though, just experienced in fighting POIS symptoms.
Try things but don't overdo too many things at one time. ALso, feel free to message the mods who could recommend some specific posters to follow.
In time, you will feel a sense of hope and find some things to help you.
I for one can relate to where you are at, as can many. I am at a much better place now, because of the open sharing and learning from the community of great guys here.
What works for some people does not work for others, so it takes a bit of trial and error, but you will find help here, and there is some ongoing structured research efforts also in the background. Those will be shared in the coming months and year by Demo, Quantum, Stef and others.
Best wishes for now,
Colm - in Europe also.
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Unvers, Welcome again to POISCenter!
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Thanks for the replies, I will read the threads very carefully.
Demografx don't worry, I think about suicide sometimes but for now never attempted, I'm not so impulsive. :)
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Thanks, Unvers. Sorry, but I needed to write that (since your last post I deleted the suicide hotline info above) because there have been some seriously suicidal people here at the forums (over a 10 year period).
Best regards,
Demo
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However :) ...I'm reposting for you (if you ever might need it in the FUTURE...and for other readers here as well who might be tempted one day by a DRASTIC decision (yes, drastic: it's a permanent solution to a temporary problem!!) :
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•And in the USA, a good hotline is:
1-800-SUICIDE
(1-800-784-2433)
•All other countries:
http://www.befrienders.org
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For now I will do abstinence and will masturbate one time per week, I think abstinente or reduction is the better choice in absence of supplements, I think I will do an endocrinological check.
In these years I realized nicotine helps a bit with brain fog and depression but obviously smoking is bad for health.
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Hi Unvers,
Other members have reported cognitive benefits from nicotine.
Nicotine, while being the addictive part in cigarettes, is not contributing significantly to the health problems smoking causes. It is the smoking, the smoke, that is responsible for almost all of the toxicity ( there are 2000 different carcinogenic substances in cigarette smoke).
As a way to use nicotine for relief cognitive symptoms in POIS ( as reported by many members in the past), I have always suggested here to turn to nicotine gums, or nicotine spray or patches. There are many nicotine forms available for smoking cessation that allow a safe, no-smoke, nicotine intake. Nicotine is not carcinogenic, so apart from addiction, it is not dangerous in normal dosage ( not safe and natural as organic fruits and veggies, but clearly better than smoking !!! )
I agree that abstinence obviously helps. In my case, even if I have a good relief method, I limit my number of releases anyway to once every week at max, and more often every 2 weeks, and up to once a month in winter. My relief method would be "overwhelmed" by 2 times a week, and symptoms would come back... relief is not a cure. And, once you have found a way to escape the bitter bite of POIS, life quality increase so much that there is a high motivation to not fall prey again to a severe POIS acute phase, so moderation is a key for that. ( I know that some members can have releases very often without symptoms, when they have found their own method of relief, like, for example, GLC, but this is not the norm).
P.S. Regarding nicotine products, please note that e-cigarettes are not a safe alternative - recent studies show that they are potentially as harmful as cigarettes, see http://today.uconn.edu/2017/06/e-cigarettes-potentially-harmful-tobacco-cigarettes/
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Thanks Quantum.
By the way I'm not yet pratical with the forum and will post for now in this thread things relative to my POIS.
I noted a strange thing with orgasm, after orgasm my hair tend to become greasy more easy and develop dandruff faster, obviously the cure in this case is washing the hair but this made me think about the hormonal nature of the disease, at least for me, I read dandruff and greasy hair was correlate to testosterone, after orgasm the testosterone generally rise so this thing may be unrelated to POIS but normal physiology.
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Hi Unvers,
This is I think a part of the immune system poor functioning for the days after an Orgasm.
It is also something I have had always with POIS. I have seborrhoic dermatitis that flares for 3 days after O.
Also, UV sunlight I am strongly allergic to (autoimmune issue likely) also since I got POIS.
Have found a lot of creams and prescription shampoos that help. Nizoral a good one with ingredient Ketoconazole in it. May not need a prescription. Available in Europe.
If causing a big problem, you might also check with a good dermatologist although I would not advise any strong steroid creams. Good nutrition will help also.
Rgds,
Colm
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Hi Unvers,
This is I think a part of the immune system poor functioning for the days after an Orgasm.
It is also something I have had always with POIS. I have seborrhoic dermatitis that flares for 3 days after O.
Also, UV sunlight I am strongly allergic to (autoimmune issue likely) also since I got POIS.
Have found a lot of creams and prescription shampoos that help. Nizoral a good one with ingredient Ketoconazole in it. May not need a prescription. Available in Europe.
If causing a big problem, you might also check with a good dermatologist although I would not advise any strong steroid creams. Good nutrition will help also.
Rgds,
Colm
I was thinking it was the testosterone that rose after orgasm to provoke this rise in fat in the hair, testosterone si associated with these things, obviously I'm not an expert on endocrinology but rememeber some things read on the Internet.
Is there in this forum a thread about edging? Masturbating and having sex without orgasm, I practiced this many years ago and it was helpful to release sexual tension without orgasm, the only problem was vasocongestion that provoked some pain, a problem known as "blue balls".
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Guys I today saw a shop called "POIS", I would take a photo next time. ;D
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Yes, it's an Italian clothing chain.
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I am about to go with a sex worker to see if I really suffer from POIS and not frustration for masturbation but I am nearly sure my case is POIS.
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I am about to go with a sex worker to see if I really suffer from POIS and not frustration for masturbation but I am nearly sure my case is POIS.
Unfortunately I didn't have an orgasm but I almost sure my case is POIS, brain fog is unrelated to simple melancoly after masturbation or sex and the duration of the symptoms is too long to be simple post coital tristesse.
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Hi Unvers,
This is I think a part of the immune system poor functioning for the days after an Orgasm.
It is also something I have had always with POIS. I have seborrhoic dermatitis that flares for 3 days after O.
Also, UV sunlight I am strongly allergic to (autoimmune issue likely) also since I got POIS.
Have found a lot of creams and prescription shampoos that help. Nizoral a good one with ingredient Ketoconazole in it. May not need a prescription. Available in Europe.
If causing a big problem, you might also check with a good dermatologist although I would not advise any strong steroid creams. Good nutrition will help also.
Rgds,
Colm
I was thinking it was the testosterone that rose after orgasm to provoke this rise in fat in the hair, testosterone si associated with these things, obviously I'm not an expert on endocrinology but rememeber some things read on the Internet.
Is there in this forum a thread about edging? Masturbating and having sex without orgasm, I practiced this many years ago and it was helpful to release sexual tension without orgasm, the only problem was vasocongestion that provoked some pain, a problem known as "blue balls".
In fact I would say the opposite, it is the drop in testosterone and rise in DHT that cause the Sebborhic dermatitis and dry skin issues. I concur this because I have very low testosterone measured and have extremely dry skin and have fully balded (norwood 6) at the age of 31.
I know reports say high testosterone to do that when infact it's high DHT which does it (and the testosterone is converted to DHT meaning a fall in testosterone).
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I heard that some POIS sufferers are symptoms free after another orgasm. ???
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I heard that some POIS sufferers are symptoms free after another orgasm. ???
There are rare reports of this, but for most members, and usually, symptoms stack up and get worse with additional ejaculations. This is clearly my case, and clearly the case for most members.
For those who have reported such results, there is not enough information concerning the circumstances, their usual POIS symptoms, the timing implied in the sequence, if this has happened one time, more than one time, or in a reliable manner.... my thought, for now, is that this may have happened on some rare occasion for some members. And, it is clear that, for most members, another ejaculation will worsen your symptoms, and makes recovery longer still, and symptoms will be more severe.
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Quantum clarifies what I think of as "POIS myths". Anecdotally-based.
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I heard that some POIS sufferers are symptoms free after another orgasm. ???
Yep, that's my case but only IF (and that's a big IF) I take niacin before the Orgasm and get a flush.
If I have developed POIS symptoms due to an unprotected orgasm (without taking niacin before it), then I could get easily rid of them if I take niacin and have ANOTHER orgasm after experiencing the flush.
The process is as follows;
1. I have POIS symptoms
2. I took 200 mg of niacin, the first 20-25 min I'll feel unchanged (with the previous POIS symptoms)
3. Then I start to experience the flush: I improve my POIS symptoms as soon as the flush kicks in.
Then, two possible things could happen:
4a. I don't have an Orgasm. My POIS symptoms will return after some time and the POIS episode will continue after it.
4b. I have an Orgasm during "the window of opportunity" created by Niacin. My POIS automatically disappears the very moment I have the Orgasm.
In the past, >95% of the times an Orgasm while in POIS worsened my symptoms. However, in a few occasions, my POIS was improved.
Now, if I follow the niacin protocol, 100% of the times, an Orgasm will eliminate my previous POIS symptoms.
Hope this can help.
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Thanks for the very detailed answer, Observer! And a clear and detailed answer was indeed needed for this.
I would like to make a precision, for other members who would want to try: you have to be aware, that, for Observer, niacin is effective in the first place, and has been for many years ( I even included him in the list of reference members for success with niacin, in my POIS types chart - see http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2338.msg19448#msg19448 ).
So, if niacin is not effective to prevent POIS for you, for a single orgasm, it obviously won't be for a second one, or it would otherwise defy logic...... ;)
If you never tried niacin before, I suggest you first try niacin before one single release, and see what it does for you, before trying the Observer protocol for "second orgasm on niacin to eliminate POIS symptoms of a previous first one"
Even if you have some success with niacin, usually, this does not mean, anyway, that you will have the same beneficial effect as Observer has for a second one.
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Perfect response, Quantum.
Thanks for your clarification!
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In these days I am experiencing a great reduction in libido, this is bugging me because it's true that is a relief and don't have the necessity to masturbate and consequently don't have POIS but I have fear that this will destroy my sexual life in combination with POIS, eliminating masturbation could be ok but in a relationship these two problems will destroy everything, maybe I need an asexual girlfriend.
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Guys I know a case stranger than mine probably, a guy who I knew in a forum of social anxiety that complains about feeling depressed after masturbation and brain fogged but only if the porn who him watched was particularly hardcore, with pornography more soft he doesn't have symptoms, this made me think about the neurotrasmitter theory, maybe the dopamine conntected with the arousal and the orgasm could be responsable, I noted in myself that sometimes when I watched erotica and not porn the symptoms of POIS were lighter, I need to retry some day.
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Guys I know a case stranger than mine probably, a guy who I knew in a forum of social anxiety that complains about feeling depressed after masturbation and brain fogged but only if the porn who him watched was particularly hardcore, with pornography more soft he doesn't have symptoms, this made me think about the neurotrasmitter theory, maybe the dopamine conntected with the arousal and the orgasm could be responsable, I noted in myself that sometimes when I watched erotica and not porn the symptoms of POIS were lighter, I need to retry some day.
I think that porn type of depression is psychological. I think it is more of a "guilt" feeling of watching porn that contributes to that type (if he is indeed normal when not watching porn and ejaculates).
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I fear my prostatitis complicated and cause a little of semen loss in the night that in turn trigger a light version of POIS but I'm not sure if it is semen or urine, for now I had POIS only after nocturnal emission associated with erotic dreams, can't say if only semen release can cause POIS for me, by the way I'm not sure if the liquid released by the prostate can be called semen, I know it is mainly produced in the testes.
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I fear my prostatitis complicated and cause a little of semen loss in the night that in turn trigger a light version of POIS but I'm not sure if it is semen or urine, for now I had POIS only after nocturnal emission associated with erotic dreams, can't say if only semen release can cause POIS for me, by the way I'm not sure if the liquid released by the prostate can be called semen, I know it is mainly produced in the testes.
Hi Unvers,
For your information, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semen#Human_semen , in the chart, to see semen composition. You will see that only 2% to 5% of the semen volume comes from the testes. The prostatic fluid accounts for 25 to 30 %. The bigger part of the semen comes from the seminal vesicles ( 65-75%), and less than 1% comes from the bulbourethral glands.
Since all members that had vasectomy (including myself) had absolutely no change in their POIS, we can say that we are sure at 100% that if there is an antigen at play in POIS, it cannot come from the testes ( because vasectomy cuts the channels by which the testes send their "contribution" for semen composition. This antigen would have to come either from the prostate, the seminal glands, or the bulbourethral glands.
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I noted that I tend to have symptoms like depression and anxiety even when not in POIS, in my case POIS is only a multiplier of these problems, brain fog without POIS tend to be absent luckily.