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POIS Cause/Treatment Discussions => General Alternative Causes and Treatments of POIS => Topic started by: LAPOISSE on April 09, 2014, 06:02:13 AM
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Hello to all of you,
I've been investigated the gluten lead recently and I think there is something :
-First of all, there is different testimony of people flaming that there are pretty much POIS free since they eliminate the gluten from their diet
http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=1240.0
http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=387.msg10629#msg10629
Seth recently :
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.19475
-Some people have been diagnosed with gluten allergy(kurtosis, urano, etc)
-If you read about gluten intolerance/sensitivity, you find out that there is tons of potential symptoms ; it's due to the fact that (i) gluten triggers autoimmune reaction with the typical symptoms of it and that it can cause malabsorption and deficiency(of amino acid/vitamins/minerals) that lead to various symptoms and can explain the fatigue and the cognitive impairments.
-One the promising "cure" some year ago was multivitamin program ; helped a lot ; It's not surprising if we have deficiency and potentially lead to digestion problem.
-Some people I've talked with doesn't get weight easily and I'have read in POIS forum that they have greasy/sticky faeces and digestion problem : it's typical if gluten intolerance is involved ; we don't digest fat.
I believe that Orgasm/sexual activity just trigger/worsen an underlining problem ; It's maybe a mistake to focus on O.
Nevertheless, there is a link between potentially digestion and Orgasm...and this could be the Vagus nerve(object of the ongoing POIS research).
Personally I will verify that lead and going to a strict non gluten diet for at least 2 month
good luck fellow poiser's
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That is interesting too ; the part I like the most is :
"interesting fact that her problems were not constant, indicating that basically her brain was intact but something seemed to be detrimentally influencing her from time to time, causing her to have these significant issues with respect to how her brain functioned. In considering what factors change day to day in terms of someone's exposure, certainly diet is at the top of the list"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-david-perlmutter-md/gluten-impacts-the-brain_b_785901.html
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbWqDHuTA90
Interesting part at 2 min and 2"30 : autoimmunes and crossed-allergies/ crossed sensivities.
Pollen ~ gluten
It make me think to POisers with diarrheas after ejaculation.
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Yep, definitly ; I see you've been active on the gluten/digestion lead ; ) The more I read on gluten, the most I'm decided to get it off my diet.
How long did you tried on your last attempt ? Who Else ever tried ?
I frequently have some skin problem on my hands; it come and goes back and I had no idea what it was...reading about Coeliac, I found out that dermatitis herpetiforma was a pretty specify symptoms and it's exactly what I have (without the lesion)
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Dermatitis_Herpetiforme_5.jpg
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Very interesting post, I also would be really happy to hear fellow POISERS? experiences to pure gluten-free diets!
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Personally I will verify that lead and going to a strict non gluten diet for at least 2 month
good luck fellow poiser's
I had huge problems gaining weight in the past and I only recovered from it making Paleo diet. But I don't do a normal Paleo diet, I've adjusted the diet many times. The pattern here was to get rid of most bad quality grains and starches. I've tested hundreds of foods one by one to know which ones disturbed my digestion. I don't think the problem to be only with the gluten, I think that it goes much further than that, maybe I was eating too many grains on the overall (and the worst ones) and too little of the good fats. So, one of the problems is that I couldn't eat almost any fat, olive oil was the only one. Then I moved to another country (Ireland) and in here I discovered that I was able to eat 2 things that always reacted very badly: milk and butter. But even the butter had to be from one only source. Now this is the interesting story: the reason that I can eat such diary foods in here is because the cows are mostly grass-fed instead of being grain-fed. And Ireland is one of the few countries that has so many grass. And this butter is the only one totally grass-fed. I never thought that what the animals are eating could have such impact on my health, but that is what my body is saying The same happens with the eggs - I can feel immediately the difference between eggs from chickens that are Free Range or chickens that only eat corn.
So now that I eat lots of fat, starting in the breakfast (lots of butter, eggs, MCT oil) I recovered a lot of my health and I can see a really huge improvement in my sex drive. I can have Sex 3 times a week (or more if I wanted, even more than one time a day) without such big impact on my health. My skin changed and got smoother. My speech also improved and I feel stronger, more energy. I don't think that I'm cured but my life really got a lot easier.
The bottom line here is that I believe this to be due to the quality of the fat that I'm eating. As I said, if I try to eat any bad quality of fat I or grains get sick immediately.
Regards
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Hey Jnicolau,
I like your story very much, If the problem was gluten, you could'nt digest any bad fat ; when your small intestine is screw up because of gluten, there is many other thing that you cannot digest(even is there are not causing the problem) top one of this things being lactose.So if you solve the grain/gluten problem first, you solve the diary problem ; This is described everywhere.
the question is do you eat any gluten right now ? What do you call "bad quality grain" , do you eat any "good quality grain" ; I understand the difference you mentioned for fat but not for grain.
Anybody got it's IgA anti-transglutaminase tested ?
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On other interesting paper on gluten intolerance and mental issues ; I can't find something better to explain the non constancy of the symptoms ; the timing pattern of crash/recovery match to a food related problem ; I've tried to find an other disease linked to "temporary cognitive disorder" for years and malabosorption due to gluten/grain problem is the first that match that much. Digestion is the base of everything,all the other problem(hormonal, neurotransmitter related, auto immune) are in the upper layer. Difference of symptoms between us could be explained by different deficiency(we all have different genetic background is our own enzymatic weakness and strength).
Nevetheless, i still don't see the link with orgasm...Could be an underlining deficiency that cause an abnormal reaction to O..Chemistry of orgasm is a very subtle balance between notably different hormones/neurotramsitors(dopamine/prolactine/oxitocine etc) ; An preexistant imbalance could lead to a crash(maybe of dopamine)
http://www.celiaccentral.org/mental-health/
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An other one with identified gluten problem :
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.10460;wap2
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.10545;wap2
He is french, I'm waiting for news from him to see how he is doing ; apparently it can take years to take gluten out of the nervous system. I remember habibou had serious D vit deficiency which is an identified associated deficiency with gluten
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To feed in the debates ; must read :
http://chriskresser.com/50-shades-of-gluten-intolerance
http://www.drkaslow.com/html/gluten-brain_connection_.html
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http://www.vitamindwiki.com/Gluten+Intolerance+-+with+notes+on+vitamin+D
Strong hints of interaction/association of gluten, low vitamin D, low vitamin k2, and low Magnesium
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I have eliminated gluten before. It never helped my symptoms one bit!
I do suffer quite a bit with digestion issues, but I've found that it is meat, fish, dairy, and anything cooked that sets me off. So it's only a raw vegan diet that lets me poop normal, haha :P
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Hey Legatoman,
thanks for you contribution ; How long have you been on gluten free diet ? Was it strict ? Did you eat milk during this time ?
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Hey Legatoman,
thanks for you contribution ; How long have you been on gluten free diet ? Was it strict ? Did you eat milk during this time ?
I think I cut out gluten for about two months. Yes, I did consume dairy during that time.
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You could have gluten problem, you wouldn't not know as 2 month is probably to short to be sure of anything ; i've read in celiac forum that some people need 6 month to get rid of their brain fog/anxiety/etc problem ; Beside as I understand if your small intestin is screwed because of gluten, you wouldn't heal because of casein(very difficult digest with a screwed small intestine) which would potentially delay malabsoption issue.
I'll get tested for celiac ; important to know and pretty cheap even if non celiac intolerant is also possible.
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Tell me, is it easy to distinguish gluten from carbs.
For instance bread is gluten and carbs.
What about potatoes.... only carbs?
Those that eliminate glutens, eat carbs without problems?
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Gluten is a protein basically present in all wheat ans product derived from wheat(pretty much all industrial food) ; there is also gluten in some other grains.
So potatoes is fine regarding gluten
Carbs are basically sugar ; there is much in pasta, and bread...not that much in potatoes
Yes guys with gluten problem have no problems with carbs
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Well, whaddya know... I think I'm going to give "gluten free" another shot.
But doing something a extreme as avoiding all gluten is very hard to do if you don't even feel better the FIRST SIX MONTHS you do it :P
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Well, whaddya know... I think I'm going to give "gluten free" another shot.
But doing something a extreme as avoiding all gluten is very hard to do if you don't even feel better the FIRST SIX MONTHS you do it :P
I know, that's one of the big problems I have too when trying a long-term cure that takes more than a few months to work. Another thing is that I sometimes get confused if a certain food has gluten or not, and if I'm in a hurry I just eat whatever I feel like (http://fromriversedge.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Cartman.jpg).
If someone is unsure if a certain food has gluten they can check a list from places such as the one at http://www.glutenfreeliving.com/nutrition/the-basic-diet/.
Good luck no-gluteners! I might just have to give this another shot too...eventually. ;)
It could also be much quicker to get reliefs ; especially regarding fatigue and digestion problem.
What I'll do to try confirm the theory is take as a sups what is supposed to be depleted du to malabsoption ( B12/zinc/iron/D vit/Kvit/essential amino acid)
There is also a chance that some of us are celiac ; in this case you just have to be tested for it (EMA - anti-endomysial/TTG - anti-tissue transglutaminase/DGP - Deamidated Gliadin Peptide) ; Could be a quicker way(at least two Poisers in the forum are positive to it)
About the gluten fee diet, it's much easier than I though ; i just eat no gluten bread today...that taste like bread...: unexpected ; )...
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I've been off gluten for a while and it has helped me feel much better! I felt drugged and foggy when I used to eat it but not anymore.
I also avoid most carbs and high fibre foods now as I feel worse when I eat them. I suspect I have some sort of overgrowth like SIBO, or possibly Candida, that was stealing all the nutrients from my food!
Since I quite carbs in January, I got my Vitamin D test results back and they had returned to normal. Before January however, they were too low. So the low carb diet has definitely helped me assimilate nutrients better.
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I have the feeling gluten reduce my magnesium absorbtion. I stopped gluten since 1 month and I have a real reduction of fasciculation symptom. Placebo ?
The bad point is sethlessness just wrote a message on tns forum and disappear. Clearly some forum users abuse of multi-knicknames.
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I've been off gluten for a while and it has helped me feel much better! I felt drugged and foggy when I used to eat it but not anymore.
I also avoid most carbs and high fibre foods now as I feel worse when I eat them. I suspect I have some sort of overgrowth like SIBO, or possibly Candida, that was stealing all the nutrients from my food!
Since I quite carbs in January, I got my Vitamin D test results back and they had returned to normal. Before January however, they were too low. So the low carb diet has definitely helped me assimilate nutrients better.
my vitamin D is very low ..... is this bad ......could this contribute in POIS pls guide
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My body fat percentage is < 5% :-[
I need 5 kilos more.
http://leos0.chez-alice.fr/graisse.html
Even with gluten free diet my weight can't increase.
Zinc :
For the moment, the gluten free diet is a failure for me. I can't say my Pois symptoms are reduced and I lost weight. I feel my general energy is too low. I need to increase carbs or I will stop it next days or next weeks.
Anyway I have a little hope with zinc. I have taken several times zinc supplementation. But there is a possibility zinc is not well absorbed cause of gluten. It seems (http://www.glutenfreesociety.org/product/ultra-zinc-gluten-free-immune-support/) lot of celiac sufferers may have zinc deficiency.
EDIT : source this pdf (http://www.google.fr/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=8&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CGcQFjAH&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mdpi.com%2F2072-6643%2F5%2F10%2F3975%2Fpdf&ei=oFlhU9LxKebZ0QWk0YCQDA&usg=AFQjCNFFNbCNnBe1tJAYSxq_cqVkm5PTkg&bvm=bv.65636070,d.d2k)
Zinc is a super cofactor linked to lot of things : dopamine, melatonin, adhd, fatty acids (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20034331), insuline, acn?, vitamin D, sperm, testosterone...
There is a last point I have found very very interesting !
I have big problems with saccharose (white sugar). Saccharose clearly give me diarrheas especially during the hours following ejaculation. Suppresion of sugar is the best thing I have found to reduce my Pois last 6 years. I'm not alone, at least 10-15 sufferers have the same problem.
Zinc is linked to saccharase activity !
study on chickens (http://maxwellsci.com/print/ijava/v3-54-57.pdf) : zinc supplement increases saccharase activity and improves absorbtion.
study on rats (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15990634) same effect and role of zinc on differents factors (glycemia, hormones)
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I?ve been gluten-free for 17 days. So far it doesn?t seem to be helping my POIS (though I haven?t tested with orgasm, only with some stimulation). It does seem to be changing my digestion though. I had fatty/sticky stools for a long time (requiring lots of wipes with toilet paper afterward (sorry to be graphic). After just 3 or 4 days of gluten free that issue had gone - just one wipe, maybe two, infact I almost didn?t need any). So something changed. I am also finding it easier to get up in the morning in general. However, since its well into Spring and the sunrises are getting progressively earlier that could also be a contributing.
I do think there is something in these malabsorption of minerals theories. A hair test showed I was at the very low end in several minerals. Like b_jim I have been exploring zinc and magnesium for a while. I had a bout of low energy for a couple of months, possibly after contracting giardia during some remote travelling. I tried a few things but magnesium was the only thing that seemed to bring my energy back up. I?m not sure if its an issue for POIS but I do think at some point I wasn?t absorbing enough magnesium. Zinc definitely seems to give my sex drive a slight boost (or at least brings back ?morning wood? which I hadn?t had for a while). Perhaps the zinc could be slightly increasing testosterone I don?t know - thats pure speculation.
Its early days. I plan to continue gluten-free for a while longer. At some point I?ll stop, go back to a normal diet and try to notice any differences.
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After just 3 or 4 days of gluten free that issue had gone - just one wipe, maybe two, infact I almost didn?t need any). So something changed.
Agree. :)
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Hey Guys,
Please don't make conclusion that fast ; If we have a malabsorption problem it will take at least a month to provide benefits ; first your digestion will improve, then your small intestine will slowly heal..and then you will start reabsorbing minerals/vit/amino acid that was deficient which could lead to reliefs with cognitive/fatigue/etc symptoms ; it could take up to 6 month.
Frankly after 17 days as well, I dont see a big difference but my digestion is better and symptoms after O are probably less intense ; My problem is I know crave for sugar and milk which I believe have a direct effect on my digestion.
I believe that if we have a digestion problem we should - for a while - be as much gentle as possible with our digestive system meaning eating only vegetable and meat at lunch and a veggie meal at dinner ; I'll stay away as much as possible from diary and sugar for a while.
Regarding supps and especially Zinc, I've had a year ago an amazing reduction of my symptoms with Zinc; I took 60mg of Zinc per day ; If we are deficient, recommended daily dose does't apply ; but we need to take care of copper/zinc/iron balance
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I think we are close. I will buy zinc next days. Mellirova is right : something has changed, I saw exactly the same thing.
For the fist time of my life, i really saw the huge difference of energy when my weight is 63,....to 59. Below 60 I can't work very well and I feel depressed. I need more fats, proteins and good carbs. I'm more and more confident.
edit : good energy today.
Eat, eat, eat, 5 times a day. A lot of proteins, lot of (good) carbs and lot of fats. I have zinc gluconate 15mg for 30 days. I hope it will help.
edit 2 : Hmmm. It will not be so easy to improve Pois. After a week of zinc gluconate and 5-6 weeks without gluten, I don't feel a real improvement on my Pois.
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Update on my experience :
After 5 weeks without gluten, so say it frankly, no change at all ; even my digestion is now back to what to was before.
I had to compensate the lack of carbs(pasts bread) by sugar and diary product as I was craving for them.A lot of diary = diarrhea ; sugar probably contribute to it either.
I still believe that we have a malabsoborbtion problem, it's too obvious, our body and brain runs out of something , but it's maybe not gluten or not gluten only that cause it even if its way to fast to have this conclusion(small intestine can take months to heal).
I'll continu the experience and will try to stay out of milk and sugar so basicly go paleo diet
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Still on gluten free diet too + zinc gluconate. No miracle but some positive effect like intestine perfect works. The last time I had an orgasm, I had no symptoms. I worked 24 hours after in normal state. I ate a lot of fats (meat, sausage, olive oil). Im' trying to gain weight, without succes for the moment. For a non-celiac person, anti-gliadin in blood are reduce after 6 months of gluten free diet (I imagine this is the time to rebuild intestine structure). So, we should finish 2014 before have a definitive opinion.
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Thank you so much Lapoisse & b_jim
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Thanks guys, keep us posted with your latest results. . Gluten free diet is someting I am really considering for the near future
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it's too obvious, our body and brain runs out of something
I totally agree that it feels like the body/brain runs out of something. The malabsorption problem is interesting to think about. Assuming malabsorption is the problem, I just hope someone finds out a good way to fix it that doesn't involve any pseudo science like hair analysis.
It would be awesome if we didn't have to undergo a permanent diet change too. I know it might sound superficial, but I really enjoy eating certain foods. If I were with some friends watching a basketball game or something, and they were eating yummy chicken wings or chip tacos, and I had to chow down on a salad, that would be bizarre, and I'd be sad & jealousy slightly of their party-food eating frenzy. Changing my diet permanently is a big deal to me!
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I'm more and more confident about gluten. No more pains, 0 diarrheas and other things.
About what Lapoisse wrote on the tns forum :
Serotonin and most of neurotransmitters are synthetized ... in the intestine. intestine = the 2nd brain
So we need a good working intestine. Gluten may be a culprit.
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Having invested in an expensive blood analysis test for food intolerances recently, that showed I have a major intolerance to Cow's milk and Goats milk, with less severe intolerances to Soya Milk and Wheat. I have NO intolerance to Gluten.
I am being disciplined and am on a 12 week elimination of these substances.
Am noticing some improvements now after 4 weeks and I will update in another four weeks, for those of you interested in the malabsorption and gut theories.
As I am unfortunately still in the mindset of avoidance of O, due to the negative impacts on working, I will be testing that later.
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I'm close to the end of my zinc glucoante supplementation. It's a mistake, zinc don't help my Pois.
Anyway I still have a good opinion about gluten free diet because my intestine works perfectly and stools are different. Maybe fats absorbtion is improved.
So I hava a new idea : gluten free diet + DHA supplementation. DHA is an ingredient of semen and I still convinced something in salmon reduce Pois.
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Hey guys, hows it going with your gluten diets? I?m really considering of eliminating gluten for about 6 months and see how my body reacts to it!
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After 2 months, good for intestine problems. But nothing for Pois.
My hope is to repair Intestinal villus after 6 months and then gain weight and have a good absorbtion of something involved in Pois. Like fats.
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Thanks for update b_jim.
Am trying also a 3 month elimination of some dairy (cow's milk, goat's milk, sheep's milk, soya milk, butter, cheese) and also wheat.
This is because they came up in a food intolerances blood test as items to which I have significant intolerances. These tests are sold and positioned as validated, but I don't know 100 per cent about their scientific nature. People can research by googling Igg food intolerance or Igg blood test. Like anything, please be sure it is a credible and qualified organisation that you deal with. Unfortunately the better ones do have a price. Cheaper ones like muscle testing for intolerances may be less accurate or reliable.
There is also a clear distinction between food allergy and food intolerance, as intolerances are very hard to identify, because something that you have eaten two or three days earlier, could be having a knock on effect now, but it's a challenge to know what the offending items actually are. It may be a benefit of a valid blood test.
I am 10 weeks into this complete elimination, and am noticing some positive improvements in general health, but not testing pois yet !
Note, some people can be ok (as I am) with gluten, but can be intolerant to wheat.
Also, please note, for anyone who is eliminating something from your diet, make sure you get nutritional advice, as you may need to replace the eliminated item, with something else that contains the right nutrients, vitamins or minerals.
PS. I am also trying to slow down my eating pattern and how stressed I am when I eat, as I think the absorption issue of nutrients is also relevant.
I will update on this after another month or so in regard to impact on POIS.
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For the gluten, I made the choice to try 6 months for 2 reaons : Seth testimony which appears too much optimistic for my Pois and my underweight problem.
But I have few hopes it will cure Pois.
About milk and other allergen :
I don't think about food like allergen or intestine problem (yeast). Dispite sugar and gluten clearly give me diarrheas.
I prefer to think food about its influence on hormonal/nervous systems.
Sugar is an important co-factor of my Pois. After ejaculation I'm very sensible to carbs especially sugar. If I take a lots, I have hot flashes 30 minutes after meals. And my Pois will be stronger and longer.
About milk, it seems it never influence my Pois. But I just find an article from 2013 :
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Could a hidden allergy be causing your migraines?
http://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2013/could-a-hidden-allergy-be-causing-your-migraines/
"Do you get headaches often? Do they interfere with your life? Repeated headaches and migraines have a significant effect on quality-of-life and productivity at the personal level. Collectively migraines and other associated symptoms cost the US economy over ten billion dollars per year [1], with an estimated 10% to 15% of the population, mostly women, suffering from repeated migraines [2]. If you?ve ever tried to see a doctor about repeated migraines, you?ll know that the condition is poorly understood. Medications are available, but prevention is another matter entirely since it is extremely difficult to determine the primary underlying causes in any given individual. Stress levels, hormones, sleep patterns, and even the weather are listed as culprits [3]. Obviously, all of these factors can be extremely difficult, if not impossible, to control without making major life-style changes [3]. On the other hand, specific food triggers are rarely mentioned, despite the fact that 50% of migraine sufferers avoid specific foods [2]. Arguably, eliminating a few foods from your diet could potentially be much easier to manage, but scientists are only just beginning to find concrete evidence for the role of food in migraines, and as a result the approach is not standard practice with most doctors.
In fact, in western medicine, dietary migraine triggers are a controversial topic. A few foods like wine and aged cheese are known to contain specific chemical components that can trigger blood vessel dilation or constriction, and these foods commonly trigger headaches in many individuals who don?t otherwise suffer from migraines. Foods high in fat can also trigger headaches [4], but, to many migraine sufferers, supposedly healthy foods such as wheat (gluten), dairy and bananas, are also problems. However, there is currently no accepted consensus among scientists on how so many innocuous foods could induce migraines.
Scientists have long wondered whether some form of food allergy could be the root of the problem. These and other negative reactions to food, such as lactose intolerance, are not uncommon. Approximately 20% of the population in industrialized nations is affected by some form of food intolerance, and 1-4% of adults have food allergies [5]. Traditional food allergies are, in many cases, hard to miss. Onset of the allergic reaction is quite rapid after a food allergen exposure, which can even occur through skin contact. The reaction usually affects the airways, the skin, or the cardiovascular system, and in severe cases, it can cause anaphylaxis and death. These immediate reactions involve recognition of the allergen by an IgE antibody, subsequent activation of the immune system, and inflammation. In fact, in allergy tests, doctors specifically look for elevated levels of IgE antibodies in response to a supposed allergen [8]. On the other hand, consistent reactions to food that involve migraines or some general digestive problems, are not usually diagnosed as being allergic reactions and are often considered psychosomatic, or are labeled as Irritable Bowel Syndrome (IBS) when the symptoms are mostly related to digestion [6]. IBS, like repeated migraines, is a health condition that is defined by a set of symptoms as opposed to an understood root cause, and interestingly, IBS sufferers are statistically more likely to suffer from migraines too [7].
However, research is providing increasing evidence that there can be immune responses to food that don?t work through the same mechanisms as standard allergies, and therefore don?t have the same symptoms, and don?t get picked up by standard allergy tests. Scientists are now discovering that immune responses can also be initiated in predisposed individuals when improperly digested food allergens pass through the intestinal lining along with properly digested nutrients. The intestinal immune system, which is geared towards recognizing ingested bacteria, can start to recognize these food fragments too. The onset of symptoms is delayed, ranging from anywhere between 1-120 hours, which is why it can be extremely difficult for anyone with distressing symptoms to realize that a specific food is triggering them. On top of that, if the primary problem is headaches and not a gastrointestinal problem, it isn?t obvious that a food could be triggering them. It is important to note, however, that while symptoms such as migraines, chronic fatigue, and behavioral changes are considered to be potential manifestations of this type of reaction to food, it has yet to be firmly established [5]."
"Our current ability to clinically test for this type of allergy is seriously limited. While the allergen recognition mechanism can involve IgE antibodies, which many tests can detect, clinical studies suggest that these are produced locally in the intestines, and therefore don?t reach detectable levels in the serum or the skin. Instead, the few available diagnostic tests look for the presence of food-specific IgG antibodies in the patient?s blood. IgG antibodies don?t trigger allergic reactions like IgE antibodies do; they are only indicators that the immune system might be recognizing the food. Their presence is actually linked to helping the immune system tolerate the food. Thus, as the presence of IgG antibodies is only an indirect indicator that the immune system might be activated, and the link is not fully understood, the validity of these diagnostic tests is questioned [9]. In addition, when tested for IgG production in response to a variety of foods, individuals without any noticeable symptoms may test positive to a few foods, but the average number of foods is less than in individuals who do have negative reactions to foods [10]. However, it is also hard to know for sure whether food intolerances always cause noticeable symptoms. In any case, the absence of IgG antibodies should signify no immune recognition of the food whatsoever.
Despite the lack of well-established diagnostic tests, and solid mechanistic data to support the link between migraines and food intolerance, some studies have shown that migraine symptoms are alleviated when test subjects avoid the foods to which they have developed IgG antibodies [7,10]. In these studies, researchers first checked the test subjects? blood for the presence of food-specific IgG antibodies to over one hundred foods. Based on the results of these initial blood tests, the subjects were given an elimination diet, in which all the foods towards which they had IgG antibodies were removed, and a challenge diet, which encouraged the consumption of these same foods. The subjects were then asked to record the number, duration, and intensity of migraines that they had during each diet phase. In order to rule out the placebo effect, the subjects were not told which diet was the elimination diet, and which one was the challenge diet. With this approach, Carlos Arroyave Hernandez and his colleagues found that migraine sufferers had a significant reduction in the frequency and intensity of their migraines on the elimination diet compared to their regular diet or their challenge diet [10]. A second study by a different group looked at patients who suffered both from migraines and IBS, and also found that symptoms from both disorders were alleviated with the elimination diet [7]. While this data might sound quite conclusive, there is some question about whether researchers tested enough people to fully validate the results; a similar study did not get the same positive effect [3]. More research will have to be done, but the inherent difficulty with all these studies is that the test subjects are in charge of their diets. While the researchers did ask the subjects to keep food diaries, they did not know whether they were accurate, and they had no way of fully determining the level of compliance.
So what?s the take-home message? Migraine-causing reactions to food are not fully understood from a scientific perspective, and are hard to test for conclusively. Self-diagnosis is also difficult since the symptoms of food intolerance can take up to a few days to appear. It can be very hard to pinpoint the problem without actually looking for it, particularly since foods such as wheat and dairy, which many North Americans eat on a daily basis, are also some of the most common foods to which people are intolerant. Researchers and doctors are only just beginning to look at food intolerance seriously. A better understanding of this phenomenon may someday lead to increased public awareness, more reliable diagnostic tests, and even improved treatments for migraines and many other ailments."
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Intense intestinal pain and moderate diarrheas today for me, out of Pois.
I wonder if the yeast I use for my free-gluten home-made bread is the cause or gluten itself...
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If gluten intolerance is potentially a factor contributing to POIS symptoms it is important to completely eliminate gluten from the diet in order to test the theory accurately. Apparently even if your non-gluten food touches a gluten source it would be considered contaminated. Please post any results you guys have with the gluten diet, I am one week in and I would like to know how the others are doing as well. The only thing I?ve noticed in a week is better digestion, haven?t really been in the cycle yet to see how the diet might affect the cycle.
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Just updating information here on a recent trial of food and nutrition over 3 months.
As I mentioned in a post back some weeks, a blood test showed that I had intolerances with Milk to a big level and with wheat also.
So, for 12 weeks, I avoided Milk, wheat and gluten. I did not eat any bad foods in this time, cut out most white sugars, but had a nutritionist advising on foods to eat, and good quality Vitamin supplements to take.
I also avoided O for nearly 4 months during this, as a good trial. I was also exercising - cycling and walking every day. My health had felt a good deal better or at least I felt more healthy on this good diet.
Had my first O yesterday and sadly I report, from straight after the O, all the usual symptoms came straight back, sinus flaring, skin dermatitis, brain fog, depression, social phobia etc etc.
I will use Niacin next time or start a trial of progesterone perhaps...
Am very disappointed after putting so much effort into the nutrition approach. Three days to feel human again !!!
For my POIS, I can say definitely that Gluten or diet is NOT a factor. It may be a factor for other POIS men. I don't know.
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I agree gluten don't help pois. But remove the sugar makes a huge difference in my Pois.
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After 4 months without gluten I go back to normal diet.... and my intestinal problems come back too. I'm not sure if it's gluten itself, complex carbs or yeast but I have abdomen pains. It has few/no influence on my pois anyway.
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Celiac disease is a chronic digestive and immune disorder that damages the small intestine. This disease is triggered by eating foods containing gluten. This disease can cause long-term digestive problems and prevent your body from getting all the nutrients it needs.