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« : October 06, 2017, 10:22:54 PM »

I've been trying something different for about two months that seems to be working and wanted to share. I don't see any other posts on this, so I'm starting a new thread.

A podcast I was listening to was discussing how semen contains lots of iodine. This caught my attention. So i looked up iodine and its connection to thyroid hormones.

I added a twice per day iodine supplement for the two or three days after ejaculation. And began feeling *much* better within a day. I've been testing it for about 2 months now, and it has been reliable so far for me. I still feel crappy for about 20 hours after O, but am feeling like myself usually by the end of the next day. Specifically, with the supplement, I have O, sleep, wake up in the morning feeling an intense brain fog and grogginess for about 12 hours of the day, often with a flavor of anxiety and bodily inflammation. With the new supplement, my mind begins to clear toward the end of this first day and I feel fairly normal. I begin to feel energized again on the second day.

For research purposes, or for anybody trying to compare results, I would comment that I always make a point to seek out at least 15 minutes of cardio exercise the day after O, which seems to be essential for me (but maybe makes me feel 30% better and not 100%). With iodine, I'm feeling about 80% better within about 24 hours, and close to normal around 36 hours. I'm not on any prescription drugs. I eat super healthy... gluten free, sugar free, vegetarian.

I take a few supplements beyond what I'm needing for POIS, but this is the first time I've ever had an iodine supplement. My iodine supplement is a thyroid support mix (but didn't add any vitamins I wasn't previously taking--iodine was the only thing new in it, and thus I'm fairly sure the difference is the iodine). So what I'm actually taking each day is:

400mcg iodine (from kelp)
100mcg B12 (methylcobalamin)
15mg zinc (zinc oxide)
200mcg selenium (selenium amino acid chelate)
2mg copper (copper oxide)
2mg manganese (manganese bisglycinate chelate)
75 mg molybdenum (molybdenum amino acid chelate)
300Mg L-tyrosine
250mg Schizandra
1,000 mg Vitamin C (Super Bio C Buffered)
2500 IU Vitamin D3
500mg Niacin (flush) 2x/week

What I have not done yet is go to the doctor... I'm guessing seeing an endocrinologist might be wise at some point.

If any of you decide to test iodine, or know why this might be helping me, I'd like to hear back from you.
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« #1 : October 07, 2017, 02:01:38 AM »

Very good job :)

"A podcast I was listening to was discussing how semen contains lots of iodine"

I would like to be sure this point is true.
Some guy herer think fluor may cause thyroid dysfunction.
Maybe a link ?

« : October 07, 2017, 06:22:47 AM b_jim »

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« #2 : October 07, 2017, 09:42:39 AM »

Hi ZombieRehab,

Thanks for sharing your experiments and results, it is always useful to gather more information.

Your post remembered me of some other members who had success with helping their thyroid ( for those not familiar with this, iodine is linked to the thyroïd).

Mellivora have shared that his POIS started just after a radio-iodine treatment, after which he went in hypothyroidism ( again, for all members, that means a thyroid function too low, not producing enough thyroid hormone - consequence is a general slowing down of body metabolism, triggering symptoms like fatigue.  Taking Iodine is way to stimulate the thyroid gland).  See Mellivora's post at http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=1426.msg13329#msg13329

Another post related to thyroid, where a member shares that his post his almost completely gone after having his thyroid function checked and balance, as well as iron level and cortisol.  See his post for details :  http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=1254.msg11595#msg11595 .  ( His POIS now just last a few hours or so)  .  However, in his few follow up posts, it seems that he had problems to tolerate T4, and stopped the treatment.  He is no more active on the forum, so hard to say what finally happened.


Let me know if you still have success after another few months, and I will be happy to add a Iodine/thyroid Type in my POIS Type Chart. 


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« #3 : October 07, 2017, 10:00:19 AM »

Hi, B_Jim,

I'm not sure I'm supposed to post direct links, but to answer your questions, I've been reading and listening to biohacking podcasts. I think the one I'm referencing is: Bulletproof Podcast: How Our Toxic Environment Is Impacting Our Sexy Brains and Hormones ? Dr. Lindsey Berkson ? #418.

There are also quite a few articles on biohacking sites about rubbing iodine on the body to increase testosterone.

While experimental, those are the types of information that had me experimenting with iodine.

To answer your question about the iodine content of semen in a less subjective way:

"Semen iodine. The median of iodine levels in semen was 12.6 (12.2) μg/l (minimum of 0.1 and maximum of 34.4 μg/l). In semen, there was a significant difference in iodine levels between men who consumed iodized or non-iodized salt (16.5 (9.3) μg/l and 11.7 (7.8) μg/l, respectively) (p = 0.019)."
Quoted from:
Reproductive Toxicology
Volume 73, October 2017, Pages 1-7
Reproductive Toxicology
Article: "Iodine is associated to semen quality in men who undergo consultations for infertility"

I'll let you all know what I find over the next few months as I keep testing this.
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« #4 : October 07, 2017, 02:58:13 PM »

Very nice. 10 ejaculations = 1 daily recomanded dose
Does our thyroid drop after ejaculation ?
Clearly after ejaculation I feel COLD.

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« #5 : October 10, 2017, 11:47:12 PM »

Hearing that it is 10% of a daily dose released has me considering other pathways, other than too much iodine being directly released... I want to share some thoughts.

Mostly, I'm pondering the effects of other halides in the body (fluorine, bromine especially), which substitute for iodine in the body in a detrimental way, including in thyroid function (I've spent the evening looking at research abstracts on the subject on the internet and will post some snippets below...) Fluorine, of course being in tap water and toothpaste. Bromides being in flame retardants (almost all sofas, airplanes, hotel furniture & carpet), most commercial wheat flour, etc. And, apparently, human exposure to bromine and fluorine being much lower back in pre-modern times.

The percentage of the hormone & enzyme molecules in the body containing iodine, versus being replaced with bromine or fluoride would theoretically be dependent on the concentration of each element. So without a supplement, my environmental exposure to bromine and fluoride could be higher than my intake of iodine. Thus, thyroid function could essentially be shut down by a proportional lack of iodine. In that instance, taking an iodine supplement would increase the proportion of iodine atoms, increasing thyroid function and hormonal balance?

What's missing is tying that to what happens at ejaculation. In this bromide-fluoride toxicity theory, ejaculation would probably need to be tied to some strain on the thyroid (for example, creating new hormone molecules after ejaculation such as T3, T4, LH ? (related to testosterone?), but having those new hormones be deformed or the thyroid itself struggle due to low iodine concentration). And this strain would need to be specific to a subgroup of us with POIS, perhaps even a genetically-based sensitivity to bromides or fluorides. I'm not sure what the thyroid's role is after ejaculation, so that's where I am right now in my thinking.

I want to attach a few interesting research snippets related to how bromide and fluoride interact with iodine in the body, here:

I'll include proper bibliographical info in case you want to look it up:
a)
Biol Trace Elem Res. 1996 Sep;54(3):207-12. Interaction of bromine with iodine in the rat thyroid gland at enhanced bromide intake. Vobeck? M1, Babick? A, Lener J, Svandov? E.

"Abstract
In experiments with rats, we have found that at enhanced intake of bromide, bromine does not replace chlorine in the thyroid; it replaces iodine. Under our experimental conditions, more than one-third of the iodine content in the thyroid was replaced by bromine. In the thyroid, bromine probably remained in the form of bromide and, in proportional to its increased concentration, the production of iodinated thyronines decreased, with the sum of the iodine and bromine concentrations being constant at the value of 20.51 +/- 1.16 mumol/g dry wt of the thyroid. In contrast to other organs, the biological behavior of bromine in the thyroid is not similar to the biological behavior of chlorine but resembles more that of iodine."

b)
Springerplus. 2014; 3: 7. Published online 2014 Jan 3. doi:  10.1186/2193-1801-3-7 PMCID: PMC3890436
A comparative study of fluoride ingestion levels, serum thyroid hormone & TSH level derangements, dental fluorosis status among school children from endemic and non-endemic fluorosis areas
Navneet Singh,corresponding author Kanika Gupta Verma,corresponding author Pradhuman Verma,corresponding author Gagandeep Kaur Sidhu,corresponding author and Suresh Sachdevacorresponding author

"Discussion
Fluoride and iodine are both halogens. The fluoride, the negative ion of the element fluorine easily displaces iodine in the body because it is much lighter and therefore more reactive. In fact the activity of any one of the halogens is inversely proportion to its atomic weight. In other words, one halogen can displace another one of a higher atomic weight but cannot displace one of lower weight thereby, results fluoride- thyroid-iodine antagonism which in turn lead to interference with iodine uptake."

c)
Iodine supplementation markedly increases urinary excretion of fluoride and bromide -- Letters to the Editor. Published online: http:// www . wachters . com/printarticle.php?newsID=109
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This is a research review letter, with several interesting quotes:

"There was a progressive increase in urinary levels of fluoride and bromide with increasing intake of the preparation. The highest urinary levels were observed following 3 tablets. These high levels persisted even after one month on 3 tablets. The table presents the results obtained in a male subject following a single dose of one, two and three tablets; and after one month on 3 tablets of this preparation. He did not reach iodine sufficiency even after one month on 3 tablets/day. Based on the results of the loading test, the body is considered iodine sufficient when at least 90% of the oral amount is excreted in the 24h urine collection. Urinary iodine levels in this subject were 149.6 uM/24h or 19 mg/24h representing only 51% of the dose."

"These high levels persisted even after one month of supplementation at 3 tablets/day, being 15 times baseline level for fluoride, and 16 times for bromide. After one month, the estimated total amount of halide excreted was 24 mg fluoride and 8700mg bromide. It is unlikely that such large amounts of halides came from the thyroid gland. It would seem that the whole body is being detoxified. Orthoiodo-supplementation could be used under medical supervision to detoxify the body from unwanted halides in a manner similar to the use of EDTA for the detoxification of heavy metals."

In other words, three months into taking an iodine supplement, the person's body was still flushing accumulated bromine and fluorine, and had not yet reached a sufficient level of iodine absorption.

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While none of this screams ?POIS is now solved!?, it does seem like this could be a useful direction to explore. All I know is that my iodine supplement appears to be helping very significantly, and I'm not quite sure why that might be the case...
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« #6 : October 11, 2017, 01:27:34 AM »

I will try a iodine supplement soon.
My Pois came slowlly I didn't get all the symptoms the first years.
It seems taurine may regulate thyroid functions.

Do you live far from sea ?
« : October 11, 2017, 08:35:44 AM b_jim »

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« #7 : October 11, 2017, 08:52:54 AM »

Interesting thread.

There is no question for me about wether or not fluoride is toxic - it is.  It has no place in organic biochemistry. 

That's why I have been using non-fluoride toothpaste for years.  The one I use contains hydoxylapatite, which remineralize teeth naturally.  I do not eat refined sugar and sweet, so I do not need this toxin disguised as a gift to prevent dental decay.....It is quite pathetic that we give people fluoride so they can eat junk sweets...  hmmmm....

It is also known that fluoride crystals accumulate in the pineal gland,and the real effects of this are not known yet, since the pineal gland is not very well known by current medical science, but it is surely not a good thing.   Moreover, If you believe the pineal gland has anything to do with intuition or level of consciousness, you can suppose that a calcified pineal gland leads to be very shortsighted, blunting creativity and intuition.  Even if we don't know for sure about its real purpose, it is not nature's intent to have the pineal gland calcified with fluoride crystals anyway, it's only another example of toxic additive that are given to every human being, without explaining the possible downsides  ( same as MSG, aspartame, nitrites, HFGS, and so on). 

Be safe in your iodine dosage, as excess iodine is as harmful as lack of iodine,  For the benefit of all members, the recommended daily allowance of iodine for adults is 150 micrograms (mcg) per day, and it is recommended to avoid daily doses over 1100 mcg - see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iodine#Dietary_intake . Blood tests are the best way to know about your real thyroid function status, and it is best adjusted with the help of a health practitioner.


Let us know, ZR and b_jim,  about your medium to long term results.

« : October 11, 2017, 08:54:29 AM Quantum »

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