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Re: POIS cure: theory & supplement stack
« Reply #120 on: December 05, 2017, 10:38:01 AM »
Hey Nanna, Quantum
So I've been lately suffering from fast heartbeat issue. My heartbeat rate is ~120 bpm and yesterday I couldn't even sleep because of it. Until now nothing seems to be wrong with me but I'll be waiting on further tests. The question that I'd like to ask is if the supplements that are mentioned here could cause these issues ? I only take them about 1-2 times a day so I'm not overdosing or anything. And I also finished my GPC so maybe cutting the GPC is causing me this issue ? I'm just checking for the possibility of these stuff because I'm still not sure yet what's causing me this problem.

Hi Nas,

Have you checked your blood pressure ? If low, it may be a reflex tachychardia - check with a health professionnal.

Is this fast heart beat constant ?  Does it come with nervousness ?
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Re: POIS cure: theory & supplement stack
« Reply #121 on: December 06, 2017, 06:01:36 AM »
Hey, Quantum, Muon
So No my blood pressure is fine, and yes it is constant and it doesn't have to do with being nervous.
I did check my heartbeat on my phone and when I am resting and it gets usually normal but when I measure it standing it gets higher; usually above 100, but rarely >120. I think last night when my condition was dire it got there but I'm already taking bisoprolol hemifumarate which is helping a little bit. But will defnetly check on a specialist on the end of this week to see what's wrong.

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Re: POIS cure: theory & supplement stack
« Reply #122 on: December 06, 2017, 10:58:34 AM »
Diagnostic Criteria: http://www.dysautonomiainternational.org/page.php?ID=30

There are 2 diagnostic criteria: The increase must be at least >30 BPM or you measure a single value over 120 BPM both within the first 10 minutes of standing in the absense of orthostatic hypotension.

I also recommend getting a reliable upper arm blood pressure+heart rate monitor. This brand is being used in the medical field, the cheap ones are good enough: https://omronhealthcare.com/blood-pressure/

First lay down flat don't elevate your head 45 degrees on a pillow and be sure you are in a resting state. Stand up and measure your blood pressure and heart rate multiple times within and up to 10 minutes of standing. Make sure you don't use interval measurements of less than 2 minutes.

I don't know in which season you are right now but summer could aggrevate these symptoms big time. 

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Re: POIS cure: theory & supplement stack
« Reply #123 on: December 06, 2017, 01:34:55 PM »
Hi Nas,

  From my understanding, heart rate is controlled primarily by three neurotransmitters: epinephrine (adrenaline), norepinephrine (noradrenaline) and histamine. These three molecules are fight-or-flight neurotransmitters that can cause short contractions of muscles, increased heart rate and twitching.

  • Epinephrine and norepinephrine increase heart rate through the beta1-adrenergic receptor and histamine increases heart rate through the H2 histamine receptor.
  • Epinephrine and norepinephrine cause constriction of blood vessels through the alpha1-adrenergic (a1) receptor and histamine constricts blood vessels through the H1 histamine (h1) receptor. Vasoconstriction can cause the heart to have to work harder to pump blood.
Histamine and the heart. Can J Physiol Pharmacol. (1984)

The beta1 and H2 receptors are not directly associated with inflammation or the the arachidonic acid cascade.
Alpha1 and H1 receptors are associated with inflammation and arachidonic acid (omega-6) release which I termed POIS Cascade in the original post.

I have not personally noticed an increase in heart rate from taking the supplements in the POIS Cascade stack. That doesn't mean everyone will respond the same way as I have. However, if you are taking prescription medications that affect epinephrine (adrenaline), norepinephrine (noradrenaline) or histamine levels, I recommend making sure there are no drug interactions and/or consulting a physician. I know I over explain sometimes and you may already know most of this, but I hope something here was useful. :)
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Re: POIS cure: theory & supplement stack
« Reply #124 on: December 07, 2017, 04:14:34 PM »
Hi nanna1,

My name is Juan Pablo Lewin, from Chile.
I wrote you a PM asking a few things on how to get the stack. Please take a look on your inbox.

Thanks a lot,

JP

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Re: POIS cure: theory & supplement stack
« Reply #125 on: December 07, 2017, 11:24:32 PM »
JP, I think that you and I first chatted 10 years ago!
Usually have major POIS-reduction, treatment consisting of daily (365 days/year) testosterone patches.

TRT must be checked out carefully with your doctor due to fertility, cardiac and other risks associated with it.

40+ years of severe 4-days-POIS, married, raised a family, started/ran a business.

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« Reply #126 on: December 08, 2017, 02:26:53 PM »
Hey Nanna
So today I decided that my current method of one time a day is not showing the full potential that I hoped for, and it only seems like I'm always 50% ok. But it is still posing me a number of problems. That's why I'd like to aim higher. Yet the monetary issue is still problematic and the mailing comoany is overpricing anything that I order and I don't think that there are any other companies in my region. So given that, I want to get the full potential of the supplentation without getting myself bankrupt.
You previously mentioned that Sam-e, B6 and lecithin would give me the price's worth. But I still need D3, B1 and Omega 3 for their properties. So what do you suggest ? Something that'll do the trick but at the minimal cost of your original stack ?
Thank you.

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Re: POIS cure: theory & supplement stack
« Reply #127 on: December 08, 2017, 02:37:56 PM »
Oh and yes Quantum, I had very low pressure apearently.

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« Reply #128 on: December 09, 2017, 04:27:46 AM »

I've just started Nanna's stack yesterday. I will report the result here.

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« Reply #129 on: December 09, 2017, 04:57:44 AM »
Awesome. I just ordered Nanna's stack as well.
Lately I've had very steady success with my own prepack but the problem remains NE's, and at a young age, because it is such a high risk, my sexual timetable requires really accurate planning... if I don't o after 4 days, the risk is quite high to have a NE, so there is the constant management and worry about this.

I've been taking high doses of fish oil, usually between 3 and 10 capsules a day depending on when I remember. I was wondering, for Nanna and anyone else who takes fish oil, do you eat much fish in your diet? I have basically none. Don't really eat it, except for an occassional side of salmon sushimi. Perhaps I should be taking more fish oil because of this?

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Re: POIS cure: theory & supplement stack
« Reply #130 on: Today at 09:06:22 AM »
Oh and yes Quantum, I had very low pressure apearently.

Hi Nas, I used to have low pressure ( hypotension) as my main POIS symptom.  The most effective way for me to help with this, when I had to work, was to take rosemary and green tea extract, and also, as needed throughout the day, water with salt added to it ( salt causes fluid retention, which makes blood pressure to raise - that's why salt must be avoided by those who have hypertension).  Salted water is cheap and very effective.   For tolerance, you have to see what one's is able to take.  I can take 1/4 teaspoon in a glass of water with no problem.  It takes about 20 to 30 mins to show results on the blood monitor.  Once my diastolic ( the second, smaller figure) raises at 70 or higher, I feel ok.
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« Reply #131 on: Today at 04:36:42 PM »
Nanna, for Lecithin my gel cap is 1.2g, is that okay? You put 1.5g. Also, possible to take B1 instead of Benfotiamine?