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joelawerence

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Re: Lifetime POIS
« Reply #15 on: July 31, 2017, 09:58:44 AM »
Hi Unvers,

This is I think a part of the immune system poor functioning for the days after an Orgasm.

It is also something I have had always with POIS. I have seborrhoic dermatitis that flares for 3 days after O.

Also, UV sunlight I am strongly allergic to (autoimmune issue likely) also since I got POIS.

Have found a lot of creams and prescription shampoos that help. Nizoral a good one with ingredient Ketoconazole in it. May not need a prescription. Available in Europe.

If causing a big problem, you might also check with a good dermatologist although I would not advise any strong steroid creams. Good nutrition will help also.

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Colm

I was thinking it was the testosterone that rose after orgasm to provoke this rise in fat in the hair, testosterone si associated with these things, obviously I'm not an expert on endocrinology but rememeber some things read on the Internet.

Is there in this forum a thread about edging? Masturbating and having sex without orgasm, I practiced this many years ago and it was helpful to release sexual tension without orgasm, the only problem was vasocongestion that provoked some pain, a problem known as "blue balls".

In fact I would say the opposite, it is the drop in testosterone and rise in DHT that cause the Sebborhic dermatitis and dry skin issues. I concur this because I have very low testosterone measured and have extremely dry skin and have fully balded (norwood 6) at the age of 31.

I know reports say high testosterone to do that when infact it's high DHT which does it (and the testosterone is converted to DHT meaning a fall in testosterone).
30 years old, POIS for around 9 years with increasing severity.
Major symptoms - Severe fatigue, back pain, unrefreshed even after 9+ hours sleep, pain behind eyes, very dry face, bald head with inflamed scalp, digestion issues and constipation. Very low testosterone and high glucose in blood tests.

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Re: Lifetime POIS
« Reply #16 on: August 04, 2017, 10:23:15 AM »
I heard that some POIS sufferers are symptoms free after another orgasm. ???

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Re: Lifetime POIS
« Reply #17 on: August 04, 2017, 11:54:48 AM »
I heard that some POIS sufferers are symptoms free after another orgasm. ???

There are rare reports of this, but for most members, and usually, symptoms stack up and get worse with additional ejaculations.    This is clearly my case, and clearly the case for most members.

For those who have reported such results, there is not enough information concerning the circumstances, their usual POIS symptoms, the timing implied in the sequence, if this has happened one time, more than one time, or in a reliable manner....   my thought, for now, is that this may have happened on some rare occasion for some members.  And, it is clear that, for most members, another ejaculation will worsen your symptoms, and makes recovery longer still, and symptoms will be more severe.
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Re: Lifetime POIS
« Reply #18 on: August 04, 2017, 01:34:41 PM »
Quantum clarifies what I think of as "POIS myths". Anecdotally-based.


« Last Edit: August 04, 2017, 01:36:33 PM by demografx »
Usually have major POIS-reduction, treatment consisting of daily (365 days/year) testosterone patches.

TRT must be checked out carefully with your doctor due to fertility, cardiac and other risks associated with it.

40+ years of severe 4-days-POIS, married, raised a family, started/ran a business.

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Re: Lifetime POIS
« Reply #19 on: August 05, 2017, 04:11:40 PM »
I heard that some POIS sufferers are symptoms free after another orgasm. ???

Yep, that's my case but only IF (and that's a big IF) I take niacin before the Orgasm and get a flush.

If I have developed POIS symptoms due to an unprotected orgasm (without taking niacin before it), then I could get easily rid of them if I take niacin and have ANOTHER orgasm after experiencing the flush.

The process is as follows;

1. I have POIS symptoms
2. I took 200 mg of niacin, the first 20-25 min I'll feel unchanged (with the previous POIS symptoms)
3. Then I start to experience the flush: I improve my POIS symptoms as soon as the flush kicks in.

Then, two possible things could happen:

4a. I don't have an Orgasm. My POIS symptoms will return after some time and the POIS episode will continue after it.
4b. I have an Orgasm during "the window of opportunity" created by Niacin. My POIS automatically disappears the very moment I have the Orgasm.

In the past, >95% of the times an Orgasm while in POIS worsened my symptoms. However, in a few occasions, my POIS was improved.
Now, if I follow the niacin protocol, 100% of the times, an Orgasm will eliminate my previous POIS symptoms.

Hope this can help.

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Re: Lifetime POIS
« Reply #20 on: August 05, 2017, 05:47:13 PM »
Thanks for the very detailed answer, Observer!  And a clear and detailed answer was indeed needed for this.

I would like to make a precision, for other members who would want to try:  you have to be aware, that, for Observer, niacin is effective in the first place, and has been for many years ( I even included him in the list of reference members for success with niacin, in my POIS types chart - see http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2338.msg19448#msg19448 ).

So, if niacin is not effective to prevent POIS for you, for a single orgasm, it obviously won't be for a second one, or it would otherwise defy logic...... ;)

If you never tried niacin before, I suggest you first try niacin before one single release, and see what it does for you, before trying the Observer protocol for "second orgasm on niacin to eliminate POIS symptoms of a previous first one"

Even if you have some success with niacin, usually, this does not mean, anyway, that you will have the same beneficial effect as Observer has for a second one.

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Re: Lifetime POIS
« Reply #21 on: August 06, 2017, 08:52:55 AM »
Perfect response, Quantum.

Thanks for your clarification!

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Re: Lifetime POIS
« Reply #22 on: August 07, 2017, 05:10:49 PM »
In these days I am experiencing a great reduction in libido, this is bugging me because it's true that is a relief and don't have the necessity to masturbate and consequently don't have POIS but I have fear that this will destroy my sexual life in combination with POIS, eliminating masturbation could be ok but in a relationship these two problems will destroy everything, maybe I need an asexual girlfriend.

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Re: Lifetime POIS
« Reply #23 on: August 08, 2017, 07:24:57 AM »
Guys I know a case stranger than mine probably, a guy who I knew in a forum of social anxiety that complains about feeling depressed after masturbation and brain fogged but only if the porn who him watched was particularly hardcore, with pornography more soft he doesn't have symptoms, this made me think about the neurotrasmitter theory, maybe the dopamine conntected with the arousal and the orgasm could be responsable, I noted in myself that sometimes when I watched erotica and not porn the symptoms of POIS were lighter, I need to retry some day.

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Re: Lifetime POIS
« Reply #24 on: August 11, 2017, 12:05:48 AM »
Guys I know a case stranger than mine probably, a guy who I knew in a forum of social anxiety that complains about feeling depressed after masturbation and brain fogged but only if the porn who him watched was particularly hardcore, with pornography more soft he doesn't have symptoms, this made me think about the neurotrasmitter theory, maybe the dopamine conntected with the arousal and the orgasm could be responsable, I noted in myself that sometimes when I watched erotica and not porn the symptoms of POIS were lighter, I need to retry some day.

I think that porn type of depression is psychological.  I think it is more of a "guilt" feeling of watching porn that contributes to that type (if he is indeed normal when not watching porn and ejaculates).
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My POIS 100% managed with modified Paleo Diet (@ diet that 100% manages my pois)Believe my POIS stems from inflammation in the gut. O and stimulation = neuro POIS from diverted inflammation from the gut. Can O freely. Supplements: currently only chamomile tea, experimenting

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Re: Lifetime POIS
« Reply #25 on: August 12, 2017, 05:51:26 PM »
I fear my prostatitis complicated and cause a little of semen loss in the night that in turn trigger a light version of POIS but I'm not sure if it is semen or urine, for now I had POIS only after nocturnal emission associated with erotic dreams, can't say if only semen release can cause POIS for me, by the way I'm not sure if the liquid released by the prostate can be called semen, I know it is mainly produced in the testes.
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Re: Lifetime POIS
« Reply #26 on: August 12, 2017, 08:15:42 PM »
I fear my prostatitis complicated and cause a little of semen loss in the night that in turn trigger a light version of POIS but I'm not sure if it is semen or urine, for now I had POIS only after nocturnal emission associated with erotic dreams, can't say if only semen release can cause POIS for me, by the way I'm not sure if the liquid released by the prostate can be called semen, I know it is mainly produced in the testes.

Hi Unvers,

For your information, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semen#Human_semen , in the chart, to see semen composition.  You will see that only 2% to 5% of the semen volume comes from the testes.   The prostatic fluid accounts for 25 to 30 %.  The bigger part of the semen comes from the seminal vesicles ( 65-75%), and less than 1% comes from the bulbourethral glands.   


Since all members that had vasectomy (including myself) had absolutely no change in their POIS, we can say that we are sure at 100% that if there is an antigen at play in POIS, it cannot come from the testes ( because vasectomy cuts the channels by which the testes send their "contribution" for semen composition.   This antigen would have to come either from the prostate, the seminal glands, or the bulbourethral glands.

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Re: Lifetime POIS
« Reply #27 on: September 14, 2017, 03:13:42 PM »
I noted that I tend to have symptoms like depression and anxiety even when not in POIS, in my case POIS is only a multiplier of these problems, brain fog without POIS tend to be absent luckily.