Quote from: cornelius on October 02, 2011, 08:12:04 AMAgain, it's not that POIS as I understood it doesn't exist. I still went through all of that suffering, and it seemed to be triggered by orgasm... but we have never managed to prove anything beyond that. Fact: There are many people who report that they experience physical and mental suffering shortly after ejaculation/orgasm. Another fact is that a dry orgasm doesn´t give you any symptoms. And that the leak of pre-seminal fluid give us this symptoms in a mild way.
Again, it's not that POIS as I understood it doesn't exist. I still went through all of that suffering, and it seemed to be triggered by orgasm... but we have never managed to prove anything beyond that. Fact: There are many people who report that they experience physical and mental suffering shortly after ejaculation/orgasm.
Do you remember the first time that you feel sick, confused, with brain fog after having an orgasm? Your first POIS episode?I don´t.
Anyway, i know that this hell began at the age of 18 years. I was deppressed due to i was rejected, and this feeling expanded in the time for some months. I recall feeling with brain-fog, cognitive problems, social anxiety, repetitive and negative thoughts etc. I could remember feeling worse after an Orgasm, but not exactly the first time that i feel like this POIS. I recall leaving behind this social anxiety and overcoming the negative feelings of personal rejection. I remember feeling better *my mind**my body*, and then falling in a cycle of hard brain fog, cognitive problems after every orgasm. I made the connection over the months; at the first time i thought it was an overwhelming feeling of guilt after masturbating, then i stopped masturbating. But then i had the NE, and the problem of POIS surfaced again. It was more difficult to not masturbate while in POIS due to the excitation was the only thing that could distract me from my tortured mind of POIS.
The years passed until i discovered that something called POIS exists. This has changed my life. I am not experiencing brain fog anymore due to the niacin, social anxiety has dissappeared, negative thoughts have stopped, and i´m growing confident in every aspect of my life. The battle to fight against POIS has made me to contact some proffesionals in the health world to discover why i suffer this. I´m not anxious anymore to have an orgasm, but if ejaculate when the flush hasn´t dissappeared(or too soon) i would feel sick-- i have done that---.I would get that horrible wave spreading on every corner of my body and mind. The same wave that hit my mind and made me recognize that if i was plenty and perfect, this was going to change and the brain fog will appear with intensity in minutes and will last several days. Not anymore.
But i would not stop searching the truth. Maybe you have finally find your truth--- Then, congratulations, but i can´t believe that your case is my case. I have a very good friend with Asperger, and i have always recognized the moments when he shows his problem in social situations. I don´t have aspergers and i can say this with 100% certainty, so i think that my search is going to continue. Thanks for sharing your experience with us cornelius
Thank you Observer for understanding Cornelius's situation, and also expressing well, how we are certain too, that POIS is real.
I understand Cornelius, who probably has been very hampered by his ADD and other cognitive, perhaps depression related in their own right. I have seen a number of us who probably have depressive tendancies as a parallel condition and or axagerated by POIS. I know the situation is VERY complex, and we resist psychological help becasue they don't want to recognize POIS.But we have said before. Treatments for symptoms CAN help, and should be pursued. But DON'T expect that the treatment will cure you. ONLY a cure for POIS will cure us.
I think niacin has given us a very big clue.
Although we have niacin, and one or two who find great relief with some treatment or other we still MUST pursue the research grant. It's the only thing that will clear the doubt. Perhaps, as Cornelius says, we may ALL be chasing rainbows.Man I wish that could change!!
Unfortunately sex is one of those things that is so powerful and intertwined with the mind that problems like the one you're describing (thought you had POIS, but probably not) I think are totally possible.
Please keep us updated on your progress as you are a valuable contributor to this community and I want to hear how this goes over time. I agree with you that what may be the case for you does not make it the case for others and that's what's so frustrating about this condition. For example, I don't feel threatened if for you it turns out to be psychosomatic. If that's the case it would be helpful to know. Best of luck.
im sorry to say but, pois suffers are very likely to get diagnosed with ADD i also bet it is the inattentive kind. i also got diagnosed with ADD . and other shit where they try explain and cover up they symptoms of pois.
Taking University courses specifically in critical thinking.. this whole post makes me feel really uneasy.
Number one, I cant take anecdotal experiences, it may work for you but that does not mean it will be the case for all pois sufferers. It might be interesting to look into but with the symptoms we have it would be a very hard case to prove in cornelius's favour.Also, many of us here like said above have a combination of ADD + POIS which would make us automatically subjected to an "a.d.d. test"
This seems very skeptical and im sorry if i sound like an ass, but i like when research has been presented orderly and scientific. Maybe we can look into this? but as it stands very very skeptical
Over so many years we had so many "cured" that i doubt that Cornelius really had POIS.
Congrats man! Whether or not you ever had POIS -- and I think you probably DID and still DO -- it's great that you've finally gotten some of your symptoms under control and are seeing improvements in your life. I, though, absolutely know that I have POIS. Sure, I have trouble concentrating sometimes.
But those times are almost exclusively only immediately after orgasm. In fact, since discovering Niacin and ceasing to masturbate I feel like a completely different person -- and people have noticed. Everything in my life is better! I'm able to date more often, i'm doing well in grad school, and have far more friends than ever before. So I have no question that my problems are related to physiological -- not psychological -- problems related to orgasm.
But Cornelius does perhaps raise a good point. Because of how little we know about this constellation of symptoms, it's wise to have your doctor consider all of the possibilities of different disorders that exist out there. You may have POIS AND something else.
I'm happy for you Cornelius. I too am having great success with niacin, there is nothing like feeling normal again after sex. And my case was likely not half as bad as yours.
I'm sure there are some here among us like yourself where depression or ADD play a greater part in the imbalance in their reproductive cycle than anything else.
I can't really say that Strattera "cured my POIS" - I believe that most of what I described as POIS was in fact a worsening of the symptoms that I was experiencing from depression following orgasm. Among these was an inability to focus or to complete tasks, which was diagnosed as secondary ADD by Prof. Michael Fitzgerald http://www.professormichaelfitzgerald.eu/ , who was recommended to me by my therapist as the expert in Aspergers/ADD in Ireland. "Secondary" effectively means "not born with it, may have another cause", and so it remains an open question as to whether the mental confusion was something that I will have to live with, or if it will go away as my depression lightens. To deal with it in the present, Prof. Fitzgerald prescribed me 80mg Strattera / day, which I ramped up to over two months. I have been on the full dose for about one month now. My focus has definitely improved, and I can now complete tasks without losing track of what I am doing, and hold more than one thing in my mind while doing something else. It is non-stimulant, which means that it is likely to be less habit-forming than Ritalin/Adderall, and there is a noticeable decrease in my level of function on days that I do not take it straight out of bed. Thus, I think that it is working. However, I do not feel that I would have 'escaped' the POIS without the therapy that formed the key to fighting off my depression. I feel that if I had been prescribed Strattera on its own, without the therapy, I fear that I would have been able to perform tasks better at work, but would have still been suffering from the crippling depression - and all the other side effects we call POIS. It might have actually worked out worse for me, as I would have been able to continue in work for longer, getting more and more desperate. Instead, I dropped out of work sick, and managed to work through some long-standing problems with my life. I no longer suffer from sexual activity, but that has nothing to do with the Strattera - it came after months of therapy. The Strattera still helps me on a daily basis, but my mind no longer comes and goes with sex. So it's not a wonder cure, but it definitely has helped me day-to-day. My GP and Psychiatrist did not feel qualified to continue to prescribe it to me - there are about 3 people here who specialise in ADD/Autism/Aspergers, and I must go to one of them to get monitoring / repeat prescriptions. Treatment of ADD in adults is rare, but most people who usually see children will probably agree to see you. The ASRS, linked in my post is the actual clinical test used by doctors. If you score highly, it's probably a good idea to see a specialist.http://www.adders.org/who%20addult%20adhdscreen.pdfHere's another link that I found pretty useful: http://www.adders.org/info7.htmI'm going to post this response in my thread, in case it is useful to others.
I think that my problems with cognition -- my ADD -- was always present. I think that as I restrained myself from sexual activity, that I became more and more stressed. That stress enabled me to push past and control the ADD for long enough to get some things done. That I have always wielded my stress in order to marshal my concentration.
Ask yourself: is this a common list of symptoms of acute depression? Over-sleeping, Agoraphobia, clouded thinking, poor short-term memory, irritabilityUnless you haven't been reading the same things that I have, you'll have to concede that they are.
I tried your ADHD tests:http://www.adders.org/who%20addult%20adhdscreen.pdfscored 5/6 in the dark boxes for Part Ahttp://www.adders.org/info7.htmI have at least 18/20 on this one. Crumbs. Maybe I need to see a doctor!