So I'm still doing very well, have been busy at work, so here is my one-month follow-up.
No changes - I can ejaculate / orgasm frequently without the associated loss in concentration that I had been suffering from. I am nearing the fully-effective date of Strattera, a non-stimulant drug for treating ADHD, and have found my ability to focus on tasks significantly improved over the past 5 weeks as it ramped up.
Again, it's not that POIS as I understood it doesn't exist. I still went through all of that suffering, and it seemed to be triggered by orgasm... but we have never managed to prove anything beyond that.
Fact: There are many people who report that they experience physical and mental suffering shortly after ejaculation/orgasm.
Another fact is that a dry orgasm doesn´t give you any symptoms. And that the leak of pre-seminal fluid give us this symptoms in a mild way.
By dry, do you mean arousal without ejaculation? It gave me reduced symptoms.
Do you remember the first time that you feel sick, confused, with brain fog after having an orgasm? Your first POIS episode?
I don't - I was so confused about the whole affair that it's hard for me to put a finger on it. I would estimate that it began in my early teens, but subjectively "got worse" about 4 years ago. I now believe that this was an inaccurate set of observations, and that my inattention "got worse" because the work I was trying to do became harder to "cram" into the brief bursts of attention that I could give them.
Anyway, i know that this hell began at the age of 18 years. I was deppressed due to i was rejected, and this feeling expanded in the time for some months. I recall feeling with brain-fog, cognitive problems, social anxiety, repetitive and negative thoughts etc. I could remember feeling worse after an Orgasm, but not exactly the first time that i feel like this POIS. I recall leaving behind this social anxiety and overcoming the negative feelings of personal rejection. I remember feeling better *my mind**my body*, and then falling in a cycle of hard brain fog, cognitive problems after every orgasm. I made the connection over the months; at the first time i thought it was an overwhelming feeling of guilt after masturbating, then i stopped masturbating. But then i had the NE, and the problem of POIS surfaced again. It was more difficult to not masturbate while in POIS due to the excitation was the only thing that could distract me from my tortured mind of POIS.
This mirrors my experience quite well in every regard.
The years passed until i discovered that something called POIS exists. This has changed my life. I am not experiencing brain fog anymore due to the niacin, social anxiety has dissappeared, negative thoughts have stopped, and i´m growing confident in every aspect of my life. The battle to fight against POIS has made me to contact some proffesionals in the health world to discover why i suffer this. I´m not anxious anymore to have an orgasm, but if ejaculate when the flush hasn´t dissappeared(or too soon) i would feel sick-- i have done that---.
I would get that horrible wave spreading on every corner of my body and mind. The same wave that hit my mind and made me recognize that if i was plenty and perfect, this was going to change and the brain fog will appear with intensity in minutes and will last several days. Not anymore.
Yes, this forum was very useful for me as well. What I believe was inaccurate about my self-observation was that when "out of POIS", I was functioning well - I now believe that I was functioning better
(much better) , but not as well as a medicated, un-stressed and un-depressed ADDer can be. The fact was, that when abstaining, I was incredibly tense and wound-up (abstention is hard!) - and this tension would help me focus more, and banish the ADD-distractibility.
But i would not stop searching the truth. Maybe you have finally find your truth--- Then, congratulations, but i can´t believe that your case is my case. I have a very good friend with Asperger, and i have always recognized the moments when he shows his problem in social situations. I don´t have aspergers and i can say this with 100% certainty, so i think that my search is going to continue. Thanks for sharing your experience with us cornelius
All I can say is that it is working for me, and to give it my strongest possible recommendation that others consider suggesting the "ADD / depression / stress -> de-stress with ejaculation cycle" to their medical team.
Thank you Observer for understanding Cornelius's situation, and also expressing well, how we are certain too, that POIS is real.
Perhaps what I failed to communicate through sheer enthusiasm was that I don't at all disbelieve in the Ejaculation => Mental Confusion / Physical Ailments correlation that led us to form this group and call the observed symptoms POIS. I just have another possible causation chain which fits the data just about as well as any other explanation.
I understand Cornelius, who probably has been very hampered by his ADD and other cognitive, perhaps depression related in their own right. I have seen a number of us who probably have depressive tendancies as a parallel condition and or axagerated by POIS. I know the situation is VERY complex, and we resist psychological help becasue they don't want to recognize POIS.
But we have said before. Treatments for symptoms CAN help, and should be pursued. But DON'T expect that the treatment will cure you. ONLY a cure for POIS will cure us.
Again, POIS is a set of symptoms, not anything causative. Waldinger's papers for instance, treat POIS as being caused by an allergic reaction ; the 'cure' is a cure for allergic reactions, not for POIS.
I think niacin has given us a very big clue.
Towards what? The observed symptom alleviation could come from many different effects. It doesn't help us understand what has caused the symptoms to manifest.
Although we have niacin, and one or two who find great relief with some treatment or other we still MUST pursue the research grant. It's the only thing that will clear the doubt. Perhaps, as Cornelius says, we may ALL be chasing rainbows.
Man I wish that could change!!
Not rainbows -- just depression. I was so set against the idea that I was depressed, that I ignored the full reach of the physical and mental effects that depression can have. I believe that I was effectively "running on empty" all of those years, and that ejaculation acted as the last straw, and caused my mental 'collapses' into fugue, memory loss and fatigue.
Unfortunately sex is one of those things that is so powerful and intertwined with the mind that problems like the one you're describing (thought you had POIS, but probably not) I think are totally possible.
Based on the descriptions collected here, I have (had?) classic mental POIS. I fit any set of criteria that we have been able to assemble. Take a read through my post history, and my case is just as POIS-ish as any other. (feel free to quote me if you disagree, and I'll comment on it).
Please keep us updated on your progress as you are a valuable contributor to this community and I want to hear how this goes over time. I agree with you that what may be the case for you does not make it the case for others and that's what's so frustrating about this condition. For example, I don't feel threatened if for you it turns out to be psychosomatic. If that's the case it would be helpful to know. Best of luck.
Yeah, mostly psychosomatic from acute depression (which I was unaware of, and would have told you "I'm not depressed") is my current working understanding. I don't feel depressed now, and most of the symptoms have vanished.
im sorry to say but, pois suffers are very likely to get diagnosed with ADD i also bet it is the inattentive kind. i also got diagnosed with ADD . and other shit where they try explain and cover up they symptoms of pois.
Not to beat a dead horse, but if you are likely to get diagnosed with ADD, then perhaps you are likely to benefit from treatment for ADD. That's the purpose of scientific diagnoses.
Just make sure that you get a proper test (such as the extended version of the one I linked to), and a competent doctor (who specialises in it or a similar area).
Taking University courses specifically in critical thinking.. this whole post makes me feel really uneasy.
Excellent! Please take another look at my OP, and tell me what hard evidence we have that disproves my causation chain compared to any other that has been proposed on the forum / the literature or elsewhere. In particular, note that the Compendium says that "most sufferers who improve do so with improved lifestyle, exercise and diet", and that this would indicate an escape from depression.
Number one, I cant take anecdotal experiences, it may work for you but that does not mean it will be the case for all pois sufferers. It might be interesting to look into but with the symptoms we have it would be a very hard case to prove in cornelius's favour.
Also, many of us here like said above have a combination of ADD + POIS which would make us automatically subjected to an "a.d.d. test"
Again, these tests exist to diagnose people who meet certain criteria. If you meet those criteria, it is likely that you should pursue treatment.
This seems very skeptical and im sorry if i sound like an ass, but i like when research has been presented orderly and scientific. Maybe we can look into this? but as it stands very very skeptical
Unfortunately, this doesn't exist. Even Waldinger's work is missing a double-blind trial, and his hypo-sensitisation work has too small a sample size to be provable.
Actually, the POIS symptoms as a 'last straw' collapse from depression is a theory which would meet with much greater scientific and medical approval. All I'm suggesting is that maybe that is not because doctors are lazy / don't listen etc., maybe it is because they are more used to seeing the terrible effects of depression than we are, and that they are able to take an outside perspective on our condition that we are not able to.
Over so many years we had so many "cured" that i doubt that Cornelius really had POIS.
Unless your definition of POIS is "impossible to cure", then I challenge you to differentiate my case from any other. Please read through my posts, and quote me if you disagree. I have been pretty open about my condition and treatment attempts here.
Congrats man! Whether or not you ever had POIS -- and I think you probably DID and still DO -- it's great that you've finally gotten some of your symptoms under control and are seeing improvements in your life. I, though, absolutely know that I have POIS. Sure, I have trouble concentrating sometimes.
Cheers- thanks for keeping an open mind
But those times are almost exclusively only immediately after orgasm. In fact, since discovering Niacin and ceasing to masturbate I feel like a completely different person -- and people have noticed. Everything in my life is better! I'm able to date more often, i'm doing well in grad school, and have far more friends than ever before. So I have no question that my problems are related to physiological -- not psychological -- problems related to orgasm.
This is exactly what I would have said about myself 6 months ago, but I now don't believe that it was accurate about myself. I think that I was happier, felt better and was more capable in comparison
, but I was also engaged in a secret war with my own sexual desires, and was constantly tense and on edge about getting over-aroused.
Perhaps the best way to assess mental function would be to undergo Neuropsychological testing on your "best possible day", and see how you fare. I was going to try this for a number of days through the POIS cycle when I had my breakthrough - as far as I can see, it would be the only way to accurately(??) measure the differences.
But Cornelius does perhaps raise a good point. Because of how little we know about this constellation of symptoms, it's wise to have your doctor consider all of the possibilities of different disorders that exist out there. You may have POIS AND something else.
Spot on, but I think that a better way of describing it is "I suffered from mental exhaustion (and other symptoms) for days following ejaculation". I don't know what I 'have' that causes this, but it happens every time I ejaculate or become sufficiently aroused.