Latest Ideas on NE Avoidance

[COLM_2]

Hi Guys,

Not sure if anyone has some tips please.

Am under pressure at work and last week, had an NE, and basically survived on pain killers for a few days to cope on the post POIS phase. Got through to end of the week.

By way of an update, nutritional approaches and supplements have enabled a gradual 2 point reduction (on a 10 point scale) in my normal POIS post O phase.

NE's not so sadly.

If anyone has any up to date techniques they can share on avoiding this unplanned and potentially disastrous career threat, apart from the supplements.

Thanks.
COLM

[demografx]

Colm, NE's were my biggest nightmare. Innocent physical release turned my life upside down for 4 days. And unavoidably!

I empathize HUGELY, but the only way mine finally stopped was...aging!

Defsync thinks he found a solution/treatment. It might be on Mat780's POIS Info Website (link is on our Welcome page).  Or you can IM him.

Also, there are nearly 800 posts at NSF on NE:

In the Google Search box, type:
nocturnal emission NE POIS site:http://thenakedscientists.com
Careful to use spaces and no-spaces as shown.

NE's were a soul-killer for me, sad to report.

Best wishes, Colm!

[Quantum]

Hi Guys,

Not sure if anyone has some tips please.

Am under pressure at work and last week, had an NE, and basically survived on pain killers for a few days to cope on the post POIS phase. Got through to end of the week.

By way of an update, nutritional approaches and supplements have enabled a gradual 2 point reduction (on a 10 point scale) in my normal POIS post O phase.

NE's not so sadly.

If anyone has any up to date techniques they can share on avoiding this unplanned and potentially disastrous career threat, apart from the supplements.

Thanks.
COLM

Hi Colm,

What works for me is "preventive" release at a safe time, when I know I will have time to recover.  Now that I am 50 y/o, once a month, if it happens that I had no release for this long, is enough to prevent NE ( but the length of time will vary from one to another ).  It may not be the same for everybody but in my case, I have a NE if I did not had a release for a prolonged period, and that my "prostate is full" and need to empty a bit. As a sign that it may happen soon, I can sometime have a small leak caused by a normal bowel movement ( as you may know, the prostate is situated just behind the rectum).

Also, when critical to avoid NE, I avoid anything that could trigger my desire, like photos or movies or else.  I have found that "leftovers" in the imagination and mental could lead to having a NE that night.

It is also better to avoid what boosts testosterone, libido or prostate function, like zinc supplements (and food rich in zinc like oysters), lycopene, vitamine E, pumpkin seeds, maca, and the like.

You may try to keep some notes about what you had as food or supplements, and if anything special happened on the day just before the NE, and you may identify some specific NE triggers for you.

I hope that will help you a bit, Colm

[demografx]

...had an NE...potentially disastrous career threat...

"Career threat"? I remember once that I gave an important business speech the day after an NE.

Combined with jet lag (which inexplicably was always as bad as POIS in and of itself), I'm *certain* that I came across as a complete bumbling idiot! I wasn't smart enough to take a painkiller. But I was so upset, that I got drunk afterwards to forget my bomb of a speech. Drunk at a conference = career threat #2.

Sheesh!

[demografx]

Defsync :

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Hello peoples.
I have returned with a small bit of useful info.
I have found a new regiment thats really helped me stave off unwanted nocturnal emissions.
I consume one Monster Energy Java drink a day. Thats it. Now how does this work? Not sure why this particular energy drink is so potent, but it seems to noticeably "desensitize" one as well as lower the sexual urge. I used to use dream control and take a muscle relaxer etc etc. For whatever reason though drinkin one of those Monster Java energy drinks a day has made avoiding NE's so much easier. Im not gonna even begin to dissect the reason, I just know that it works fairly well. Also relieves minor aches and pains, this particular brand of energy drink, so might be helpful for those who have O'ed as well? Anyways, fight the good fight. Im out. Peace

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[demografx]

b_jim is a proponent of Taurine for POIS: interesting to see his comparative concentrations (see energy drinks, I think he refers to Red Bull, on the last line of his post).

"Taurine in food :

fish standard : 90 mg per 100g of dry product
capelin : 143
salmon : 130
mussels : 665
mackerel : 207
pork leaver : 90
oysters : 70
beaf standard : 35
yoghurt : 3.3
energy drink : 400 to 1000 (Red Bxxx) per can "

[stevenoc]

20mg of Prozac works great for ne. It reduces my chance of having one by 90%. Give it a go. It works pretty quickly (a few days).

[b_jim]

The "calm down effect" of taurine is maybe the key.
There are several things to say.

About nocturnal ejaculation (NE)
In my personnal case, I don't consider NE as a real problem or a disease. It's simply the fact we don't have a normal life sex. After 2-3 weeks of abstincence, it happens. Something normal.
But NE like all orgasms forms triggers Pois and Pois is the problem, not NE. Happy to read if taurine helps to avoid NE. But for me, to becaome abstinent is not an objective.
My last NE episode happenend after 30 years. But when you become older, libido decrease and probably this problem will decrease too. If you want to avoid it, of course you must avoid porn. But after a LONG time of abstinence even the fact to meet or to see an attractive woman will cause a stimulation during your sleep. You can't live between 4 walls.

About premature ejaculation (PE) and taurine :
Strangely after taking taurine I had an effect on PE. And I read strange testimoneys on the web of guys having same effects with seefoods.
I think all muscle relaxers can have a positive effect. Maybe the simple fact to relax the Pubo-Coccygeus muscle can help.

About Taurine and Pois.
In the same idea, I remember some guys having Pois improvement with muscle relaxers.

How ?

If I try to compare Pois to menopause syndrome, there is an area in brain called hypothalamus. Hypothalamus contains special cells called Candy Cells and these cells regualate the body temp especially skin temp then causing the famous hotflashed of menopaused women.

Candy cells are influenced by :

- hormonal variation  (evidence for menopaused women, evidence as after effect in some male hormones therapies and supposed during Pois)

- dopamine (stimlator)

-opioids (inhibitor)

So I suspsect of lot of things able to influence these cells and Pois, like Taurine by a "calming effect".


 

[demografx]

Great post, b_jim!

I've enjoyed your posts since we both started with the very earliest POIS forum posting in February, 2007!

Best regards,
demo

[demografx]

20mg of Prozac works great for ne. It reduces my chance of having one by 90%. Give it a go. It works pretty quickly (a few days).

Maybe my NE's stopped as a combination of getting older + Prozac (now on Lexapro)?

[demografx]

This thread affected me, right now I am outside the store where I just purchased one Monster Java ("TAURINE" splashed across the top) -- AND a Red Bull!

Maybe I will get to 100% POIS-free after all!

[COLM_2]

Demo, Quantum, Jim B, Stevenoc,

Thanks very much for your considered replies here. I will study these over the weekend.

Gratefully appreciated.

COLM

[demografx]

Loca Moca
Java Monster
Better than Starbucks!!

[demografx]

Are my eyes deceiving me??

The snapshot I took (above) looks like 3-D!

[demografx]

I just called the Monster Energy company and asked if all their products have the same amount of Taurine. The coffee drink I really like (above post - it's not carbonated, which I prefer) made me wonder.

They said yes, it's the same amount of Taurine across all their products, but they would not reveal the specific amount (its their proprietary "energy mix").

[Neutral]

Does anyone have any other suggestions for preventing NE's? I'm desperate...
Also can I get an update on the monster energy drinks with taurine? People still using that?

[Quantum]

Hi Neutral,

I recently realized that the disinhibiting effect of alcohol may lead to a NE.

As already mentioned, it is best to avoid arousing thoughts from viewing an erotic movie sequence or from viewing sexy pictures, or just seeing an attractive woman on the street, but it is not always possible to avoid.

If you add to that some wine or some beer, you raise the probabilities of having a NE, because of the well known disinhibiting effect of alcohol on human drives.  And I take only very small amount of alcohol, like half a glass, but it is enough for having a psychological effect  ( I have noticed for a long time that I dream much more when I have taken some alcohol).

Anybody else have noticed this effect with alcohol ?

[mardi]

Hi SuperSam, Thanks for your reply. This will help those interested to figure out if it's worth a try for themselves.

You wrote about having lesser form of POIS with lower levels of sexual stimulation.  You are not the only member here experiencing this.  Some members will have symptoms from prostatic fluid release (pre-cum), some members will have symptoms even if a very low level of sexual stimulation, like thinking about an attractive women.  Other situations like a prostate leak caused by passing a large stool can also be a trigger for a partial form of POIS.  However, for others, ejaculation, or the slightest emission of semen, is the only trigger. 

It has been outlined, and it seems so, that it is not orgasm that triggers POIS, but ejaculation.  Some members have noted that an ejaculation without any pleasure associated with will still trigger the same POIS as usual ( POIS could be named PEIS, post ejaculation illness syndrome, but after 10 years and some research using the term coined by Dr Waldinger, the POIS designation will remain, for sure).  Some other triggers, like a prostate leak, tend to confirm that it is the physical release of semen that initiate the POIS reaction, and absolutely not the neurotransmitters frenzy occurring in the brain ( correlation is not causation, as science says).

Hello Quantum,
I am not writing a lot in this forum (because I am not able to write in english very good) but I follow and, as all of us, I am a POISer since several years.
During the last year the POIS symptoms seemed to slowly fade away (only 1-2 days). But in the last 2 months, when I increased my sexual activity, the symptoms got really worst, and now I am in a really difficult situation, because I am having POIS even without having a proper orgasm, just thinking about sex. Actually in these days I am really afraid that in every moment of the day a POIS can happen.
I tried for the first time Niacin (Swanson 100mg) and it seems to make it a little bit better (but it could be only placebo).
What I am asking to myself and to all the community is: is POIS a problem connected with the brain, with for example the doses of dopamine, testosteron, serotonine.... (and so independent from the effective ejaculation) or is it a “physical” reaction that is strictly connected with the operation of the reproductive system?
I know that this is one of the questions to which all us is trying to answer, but I think that this is the point: whether it is an endocrynological problem, that concerns the brain and the nerves, or maybe a phisiological condition, for example an allergy or a disfunction of the genitals (a “mechanical” disfunction).
I think that this should be the first thing on which all the community should try to focus, in order to understand how to move on to find a cure.

[Quantum]

Hi Mardi,

The cumulative worsening of POIS symptoms you describe is common to almost every POIS sufferers, I think.  When we intensify sexual activities and there is less time between ejaculations, and that you haven still not fully recover from the previous one, the symptoms worsens.  In your case, it looks like after 2 months, they get pretty constant, so you may need some break time to let your body and mond fully recover.

Regarding your comments on POIS cause, have you read this thread - http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2078.msg16404#msg16404 ?  It is mostly about the questions you raise.  You can also find in this thread,  a detailed version of my own point of view on the cause and pathophysiology of POIS, at http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2078.msg16431#msg16431 

[mardi]

Hi Quantum,
thanks for the answer!
I read your linked post just now, and I must say that, even if I don’t have a deep knowledge about medicine and chemistry, I absolutely agree with your analysis: neurological and physical syndrome, similar to the symptoms of an allergy.
This would explain also why for some POISers the phisical activity (sweating, liberating toxines), or the niacin (which works exactly as an anthistamine) could give some results (also to me).
I only doubt about one thing: I don’t think that the POIS reaction is connected directly with orgasm,  but I think that we can not say that it is related directly with semen.
 There are a loto f POISers that can have POIS just having some erotic thoughts, and some of us (also me) have POIS also with a dry ejaculation. That’s why I suppose that the problem does not belong to semen itself, and neither to orgasm, but to the proceedings that in the brain regluate the process of ejaculation. Now, I am not a doctor and I don’t know exactly this things, but before the physical moment of ejaculation something might happen in the brain, some chemical reactions that create a kind of “chain” that bring to the moment of ejaculating. I think that the problem, and the solution, is there!
By the way, I think that is great to exchange our ideas in this forum, and I would really like if one day it would be possible that all of us could meet personally, like in a congress or a manifestation that will definitely reveal the existence of POIS to the rest of the world (and especially of the doctors!).