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demografx

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Re: Male Contraceptive Methods
« Reply #15 on: April 11, 2011, 05:33:12 PM »
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Hurray, I'm choosing BEFORE+AFTER based on your post, and also daveman's at SMF, edit: and CCconfucius. Also, lauracostis just email-recommended me to do both as well if affordable! SO I'm glad I held off!

Thank you, everyone!!



17 more hours till I submit semen sample + 3 more days for results.

And tomorrow, I will start T/P treatment, right after I say goodbye to all my new friends at the fertility clinic
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« Last Edit: April 11, 2011, 05:38:45 PM by demografx »
Usually have major POIS-reduction, treatment consisting of daily (365 days/year) testosterone patches.

TRT must be checked out carefully with your doctor due to fertility, cardiac and other risks associated with it.

40+ years of severe 4-days-POIS, married, raised a family, started/ran a business.

Daveman

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Re: Male Contraceptive Methods
« Reply #16 on: April 12, 2011, 12:38:19 PM »
I wonder if you will have any after effects.

Like mood or energy changes, given that you're used to "being young, virile and energetic" with the "T". P being a woman's hormone, (although present in the male system) may make some light changes.

Perhaps for a "regular person" starting out with the medication, T/P together for the first time, he may not notice much difference, one "cancels out the other animically?".

Well I guess we'll see.

Many new medications have short term effects upon initiation..... so let's see what happens.

Also, you will begin the medication while in POIS, if you start right away. My assumption is that it probably won't effect this session one way or another. Or maybe even stretch it out if in some way it may have a tendency to slow down the fast recovery you are used to instead of stop it. (obviously taken too late to do that for this session.)

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Sessions 5 to 9 days, mostly Flu-like, joints, digestion problems, light cognitive.
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Somewhere in this interaction with Niacin is the answer!

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Re: Male Contraceptive Methods
« Reply #17 on: April 12, 2011, 01:59:01 PM »

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OK, I just swallowed my first T/P dose! (5mg of Aygestin (norethindrone), mfg. co. is Barr  - $49.17/month. For some strange reason, I was told insurance doesn't cover it for men  [;D]

The progesterone is combined with my daily T dose which is normally 15mg, but I upped it to 30mg T this morning after producing a fertility clinic sample. And producing POIS [:)] The T-increase plus an increase in a bunch of stimulants (ADHD meds + caffeine + energy drink) helps me fight POIS Day Zero. Very successfully today, which I attribute to the "excitement" of this T/P adventure. Levitra might also have something to do with POIS abatement, but it's been a 4-year mystery because of the unknown T contribution in my POIS amelioration.

Again, please, this is NOT a recommended protocol for YOU! We're all different.
Usually have major POIS-reduction, treatment consisting of daily (365 days/year) testosterone patches.

TRT must be checked out carefully with your doctor due to fertility, cardiac and other risks associated with it.

40+ years of severe 4-days-POIS, married, raised a family, started/ran a business.

demografx

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Re: Male Contraceptive Methods
« Reply #18 on: April 12, 2011, 02:02:56 PM »

I wonder if you will have any [Aygestin/progestin] after effects.


Thanks, Dave, I was a little worried, but my endo is starting me off on a relatively low dose of 5mg. Gradual increases till we (hopefully!) hit the jackpot.  :)
Usually have major POIS-reduction, treatment consisting of daily (365 days/year) testosterone patches.

TRT must be checked out carefully with your doctor due to fertility, cardiac and other risks associated with it.

40+ years of severe 4-days-POIS, married, raised a family, started/ran a business.

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Re: Male Contraceptive Methods
« Reply #19 on: April 13, 2011, 02:39:34 PM »

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-----Original Message-----

From:      Dr. G, M.D.

Sent:      Wednesday, April 13, 2011 9:52 AM

To:        demografx

Subject:   RE: Norethindrone + Semen Analysis


I have the [Semen Analysis] report.

Before treatment you already have no sperm.

So the question is - did you have hypogonadotrophic hypogonadism with low testosterone AND low/no sperm BEFORE treatment with testosterone.

I would go ahead with the norethindrone anyway because of the coital headache data.

Dr. G, MD


above emphases mine - demo

This is amazing! The testosterone might have been enough to bring me to aspermia? (NO SPERM).

Maybe THAT (no sperm) is why I've been at 80% POIS-free?

But my endocrinologist still feels that continuing the T/P could improve POIS even more based on the case study I sent him from the 2010 POIS STUDY in the British Medical Journal by Dr Selwyn Dexter! (PM me with your email if you want a copy)

My rapid sperm regeneration theory just went out the window, but who cares??? [:)] [:)]

« Last Edit: April 13, 2011, 03:21:37 PM by demografx »
Usually have major POIS-reduction, treatment consisting of daily (365 days/year) testosterone patches.

TRT must be checked out carefully with your doctor due to fertility, cardiac and other risks associated with it.

40+ years of severe 4-days-POIS, married, raised a family, started/ran a business.

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« Reply #20 on: April 13, 2011, 03:14:01 PM »
This data is very important, even though you weren't previously producing sperm.

If we take into consideration what Lauracostis says, perhaps we can STILL expect an improvement!!

And even if NOT, it's hope for many, many more who can now look to this path as one of relief!

All that remains, is to know exactly why. We could assume that the "T" stopped sperm, so therefore stopped the auto-immune process. But, LC's hypothesis is so temptingly interesting, it works so well as a "one solution fits all" theory.

But I guess, it IS only day 1 of the trial, and there's so much more to figure out!

How exciting!!! Have to go pee!
WITHOUT RESEARCH THERE WILL BE NO CURE!
Sessions 5 to 9 days, mostly Flu-like, joints, digestion problems, light cognitive.
Niacin has changed my lif though, now 1 day MAX.
Somewhere in this interaction with Niacin is the answer!

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Re: Male Contraceptive Methods
« Reply #21 on: April 13, 2011, 05:21:38 PM »

How exciting!!! Have to go pee!


I have a sterilized cup from the lab I can sell ya! (Never know, you might want to have the urine analyzed by those Chilean bare-chested nurses ;D)
« Last Edit: April 13, 2011, 05:23:13 PM by demografx »
Usually have major POIS-reduction, treatment consisting of daily (365 days/year) testosterone patches.

TRT must be checked out carefully with your doctor due to fertility, cardiac and other risks associated with it.

40+ years of severe 4-days-POIS, married, raised a family, started/ran a business.

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« Reply #22 on: April 13, 2011, 06:54:24 PM »
Sorry, don't need the cup, they take the sample directly!! :o
WITHOUT RESEARCH THERE WILL BE NO CURE!
Sessions 5 to 9 days, mostly Flu-like, joints, digestion problems, light cognitive.
Niacin has changed my lif though, now 1 day MAX.
Somewhere in this interaction with Niacin is the answer!

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Re: Male Contraceptive Methods
« Reply #23 on: April 14, 2011, 05:53:24 AM »
I find it fascinating that you've been producing no sperm, Demo. I think this fact could be further evidence that ejaculation of sperm and semen is the cause of POIS and not the chemical releases during orgasm.

However the cause could still be that POIS is caused by the loss of energy from diverting the body's resources towards sperm/semen production and since your body no longer has to spend energy/resources making sperm this is why you may feel better. But if this was true then it seems many more people would have POIS I suppose...
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Re: Male Contraceptive Methods
« Reply #24 on: April 14, 2011, 01:16:52 PM »

I find it fascinating that you've been producing no sperm, Demo.


Me, too, VM!

Here are some specific results:


Demo, even though your doctor said you have no sperm, try and see if you can get an actual count(number).  No sperm may just mean you barely have any sperm compared to a regular male.


OK, Laurac, you asked for it! [:)] Directly from The Lab:

Sperm Concentration         0.00000  mill/mL
         Total Sperm                    million
Total motile sperm             0.0000   million
Total progressive                       million

Ejaculate volume                 4.80    mL


I have more data if you want (seminal pH, sperm motility, etc.)
Usually have major POIS-reduction, treatment consisting of daily (365 days/year) testosterone patches.

TRT must be checked out carefully with your doctor due to fertility, cardiac and other risks associated with it.

40+ years of severe 4-days-POIS, married, raised a family, started/ran a business.

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Re: Male Contraceptive Methods
« Reply #25 on: April 14, 2011, 01:36:11 PM »

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Today is Day 3 of T/P and I woke up with an unusually high libido! Wrote to endo, asking if it's a coincidence, placebo, or a real side effect.

My POIS was much better after the lab, but I attribute that to placebo. Whenever I am positively emotionally-charged about something, POIS is always better. My endo says that could also be hormonal as well.
Usually have major POIS-reduction, treatment consisting of daily (365 days/year) testosterone patches.

TRT must be checked out carefully with your doctor due to fertility, cardiac and other risks associated with it.

40+ years of severe 4-days-POIS, married, raised a family, started/ran a business.

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« Reply #26 on: April 14, 2011, 09:11:34 PM »
demo  i thought you increased your testosterone to 20mg from 15 mg, this might be why your libido went up.

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Re: Male Contraceptive Methods
« Reply #27 on: April 16, 2011, 12:53:06 PM »
CC, I increase it to 20-30mg on Day Zero only. My normal dose is still 15mg daily.
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Re: Male Contraceptive Methods
« Reply #28 on: April 16, 2011, 12:53:50 PM »

Demo T/P Update Day 5


I woke up nauseous, tired, with a strange libidinous-sensation, so I'm not taking norethindrone (the P in T/P) today. That's all for now with this experiment.
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TRT must be checked out carefully with your doctor due to fertility, cardiac and other risks associated with it.

40+ years of severe 4-days-POIS, married, raised a family, started/ran a business.

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Re: Male Contraceptive Methods
« Reply #29 on: April 17, 2011, 02:18:33 PM »

Demo T/P Update Day 5 - Final


POIS appears to be 99% symptom-free today, but I'm suspicious of the placebo effect.

Thank you everyone for "participating" with me in this 'adventure'. I probably wouldn't have attempted it without your support (and of course my wonderful endocrinologist's).

edit - discontinuing T/P, as explained earlier (side effects).
Usually have major POIS-reduction, treatment consisting of daily (365 days/year) testosterone patches.

TRT must be checked out carefully with your doctor due to fertility, cardiac and other risks associated with it.

40+ years of severe 4-days-POIS, married, raised a family, started/ran a business.