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Lifestyle Diary / Re: some venting
« Last post by Going less Crazy on Today at 07:29:10 PM »
I am 27 too, i feel your pain. Knowing you are close to the end of your physical prime years sucks.

Well my grandpa is around 80? Years old and he feels great and still works out.  You can still build muscle well into your older years.  I don't have any problem with getting older at least knowing that I can feel good and be healthy.
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Sorry guys, it turned out to be quite a read


Hello fellow sufferers,

I'm PotatoEd, aged 26, living in the beautiful country of the Netherlands. As I have found this forum, I too suffer(ed) from the symptoms of POIS. Potentially interesting to know is the fact that I was diagnosed with Juvenile Rheumatoid Arthritis at age 2. It might suggest a possible connection of POIS with auto-immunity, but of course, it could as well have nothing to do with it. As a RA patient I've had my share of medication, mostly Ibuprofen (600 mg 3x daily) and immunosupressor Methotrexate (17,5 mg weekly).

I'm quite sure my misery began when all medication was discontinued due to my joints being healthy for several years. I'm speaking of depression, fatigue, brain fog/cognitive impairment and severe acne. Relatively recently I had an episode of what doctors wanted to diagnose as panic attacks/anxiety, but my joints started showing inflammation just prior to that, and shortly after I had quite the uve?tis (eye inflammation), an ear-infection and a mysterious swelling of my right lower leg, making it look like a balloon. I had already started taking Ibuprofen again for my arthritis before the panic attack-ish complaints began.

Though the POIS symptoms had lasted for a very long time, I kinda was used to it being my usual state of being, so I never really thought of it as a medical issue and considered it as something I was just cursed to be feeling like. Therefore I never really went to a doctor for anything except the regular checkups with the rheumatologist. Since all of the complaints, the swollen joints, the balloon-like leg, the ear-infection, uve?tis and everything else started so suddenly at the same time, I couldn't be satisfied with just being diagnosed with anxiety. That diagnose was after some regular bloodwork, thyroid check (TSH) and even endoscopy since there were also gastrointestinal complaints and Crohn's disease also runs in the family. Nothing to be found there. Since nothing seemed to help, I agreed to see a psychologist and eventually a psychiatrist, I told them farewell after a bad experience with prescribed Wellbutrin (bupropion) and the psychologist didn't get me anywhere either. It didn't help that the psych's told me that depression isn't understood and that they have no clue about the mechanism of the available psychmeds. At least I tried.


I had already started my own research in the meanwhile, and I've come across most of the medical disciplines in the meanwhile. Anatomy, diseases, hormones, neurotransmitters, nutritients, medication, supplements and loads of PubMed articles in the hope to find something to relieve the malaise. A while ago now I stumbled across this forum and read into it a bit, though it's still alot, so my apologies if I'm not fully up to date yet.

I noticed before already that Ibuprofen alleviated symptoms, both physical complaints as psychological aspects, including depressive thoughts and it seemed to improve my cognitive functions. On this forum the Ibuprofen was also mentioned, besides the very popular Niacin and ginger root seems to be gaining poularity as well. It's always a good thing to have a couple of good suggestions from people with experience, thanks to everyone who helped setting up this community and everyone who contributes to it!


Combining all of the information I've read through, your experiences and my own, I'll give it a go to express my thoughts on it.

As for the allergic reaction to one's own semen, I'm not really buying it. There's something like precum that doesn't really seem to give any symptoms, and I would expect to more of us complain about actual penile symptoms, but I hardly/don't see those. Some bodyfluids/substances just aren't meant to be injected slowly under the skin, there are (only a very few) known (crazy) cases of urine injected in the skin, those resulted in an immune-reaction since it was just infectious. Guess what shares the same pathway. Another (probably less likely) explanation of the skin reaction could be due to the dry skin (a symptom for some people, possible due to a changed fluid homeostasis on cellular level under influence of dopamine/prolactin) injected with a saline solution, therefore disrupting fluid homeostasis. And besides, spermcells are designed to invade eggcells, could they maybe even invade other cells as well? Maybe some crazy thoughts, but I'm quite sceptical towards the allergy theory, as you may have figured. The niacine flush does involve a rush of histamine, but I think another mechanism is helpful there.

The niacin flush is said to be caused by vasodilation due to the rush of histamine. Ibuprofen's mechanism of action is vasodilation caused by inhibiting cyclo-oxygenase. I knew of this quality of both of these chemical compounds, but it took me a while before I could think of why that would be beneficial. Out of the blue, I remembered an article I've read, probably 10 years ago. The title was something like "(Making) love makes blind". It explained how bloodvessels could burst during sexual activity, especially during orgasm due to a sudden buildup of bloodpressure in the head. A similar article can be found here: http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/seriouslyscience/2014/11/05/apparently-vigorous-sex-can-burst-blood-vessel-eye-cause-blindness/#.WY-QjlFJZPY In this particular case the bloodpressure buildup is explained by a 'valsalva manouvre', in this case pausing and locking the breathing in the diaphragm. I'd say it is not unlikely that the increased pressure isn't solely on the eyes, I'd say all the bloodvessels in the head could potentially suffer from it. Brain, nose, mouth, ears, you get it. Vasodilation lowers bloodpressure and thus, it could give some, or enough protection against the sudden high blood pressure in the head.

I've known for years my breathing isn't the perfect deep-abdomen breathing and I became even more aware when I became extremely self-conscious when all of my body seemed to shut down. However, because of all the information I had come across, the focus wasn't there, until this theory started to take shape. I've tried a big O twice last saturday with the deep abdomen breathing in mind, and trying to find and keep that way of breathing where I didn't feel any pressure in my head and actually felt relaxed. The O's were definitely less intense, but a very satisfied feeling stayed for at least an hour afterwards, almost to be described as tripping out lol. Afterwards I wouldn't say I was fatigued, a bit tired, but I'd say that's perfectly normal (finally!!). I didn't have any plans for that night, but I felt like I could have gone to a party that same night without already feeling a hangover. The next day I went for a run, which went pretty good actually. In full POIS-mode I wouldn't even have gathered the motivation to put on my running shoes, or would have been exhausted/overheated after a mile or two, but besides my legs feeling a bit weak (low T perhaps), I was actually doing alright! First time in ages I felt alright after.

So in my theory, would it only be the breathing? What about hormones? What about the auto-immune mechanisms? I have some thoughts on it, but definitely the auto-immune one is very speculative. Serotonin is said to be stored in the gut, 95% of a body's serotonin is said to be in the gut. The most common definition of depression (low serotonin) often comes with gastrointestinal complaints. Also, irritable bowel syndrome has been treated with 5-HTP, the serotonin. Sexual activity definitely involves serotonin and could result in depletion or overstimulation. For years I've been unaware my abs were always flexed, only since two years I've grown aware that my bowel restricted my breathing, definitely being worse after sexual activity. Not being able to relax my abdominal muscles because I'd experience discomfort in my diaphragm area definitely resulted in an impaired breathing technique.

Testosterone is a very potent vasodilator, therefore it could definitely have a protective function in my theory. Also to probably a much lesser extent, less T would mean less abdominal muscles to take care of the perfect breathing technique. Besides, testosterone is known to have an anti-inflammatory effect, which could therefore be quite useful in preventing the POIS symptoms. Many other will have their effect as well probably, but for now I'll keep it at this.

As for auto-immunity, I did have a thought on that, though not to be taken too seriously at the moment (yet). The thymus, an organ in which the immune-cells 'ripen', is located between the lungs, you can use google to find images for it's exact location and it's function. It's probably a crazy thought, but possibly, with a wrong breathing technique, it could be hypothesized that the lungs can put pressure on the thymus, and could therefore ('prematurely') squeeze out immune-cells, resulting in an unwanted immune-reaction. Another mechanism could a changed hypothalamic action or a changed pituitary due to the blood pressure rise I mentioned before. BTW, it's probably not just the breathing that would add to the suggested blood pressure rise, also a bad posture or flexing of the neckmuscles might have an effect.


It might be a really crazy theory, but at least for myself I'm actually quite (/probably overly) excited about it. I'll definitely give it a couple of goes to try try it out some more, and I hope some of you, in the best case case alot of you will find this helpful. Please feel very free to give your thoughts on this, and good luck to you all!

PotatoEd









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Lifestyle Diary / Re: some venting
« Last post by certainlypois2 on Today at 04:56:50 PM »
I am 27 too, i feel your pain. Knowing you are close to the end of your physical prime years sucks.
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I wanted to add few things about my pois type. It seems that (I'm talking for myself only here) O is not the only trigger of symptoms.
First there is a huge correlation between pois symptoms and food. Indeed, O can trigger practically no symptoms on an empty stomach and certain food can trigger symtpoms without any O. This brings me close to the diet type. If I avoid a very long list of food and take mytelase I can be almost pois free.
Second, exercise can also trigger very strong symptoms (brain fog, double vision, fatigue, mood change, depression, anxiety) without any O. I guess this is ME/CFS so it may not be applicable to everyone.
Finally other things like smoking can trigger other symptoms.

According to the POIS definition, the symptoms go away after 4 to 7 days but in my case Mytelase improve my condition even if taken weeks after a pois attack. This make me wonder if I really have pois...
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Auto-Immune Causes and Treatments / Re: Chronic allergic rhinitis
« Last post by demografx on Today at 01:30:32 PM »
Daud, welcome to POISCenter!
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I think it is vaccines too. I don't think George Bush would have passed a law that made it illegal to sue vaccines companies if they didn't do some kind of damage....
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Auto-Immune Causes and Treatments / Re: Chronic allergic rhinitis
« Last post by daud_bhai on Today at 09:48:15 AM »
THANKS for your time..
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Auto-Immune Causes and Treatments / Re: Chronic allergic rhinitis
« Last post by Quantum on Today at 09:11:44 AM »
Hi Daud and welcome to the forum!

For your rhinitis, you can consult a physician, it is a well-known condition, and you will not have the problem of explaining a rare and unknown condition like POIS.   If I were you, I would seek a better treatment than daily Otrivin nasal spray, that is usually not recommended for more than a few days ( ask your pharmacist or doctor about this)


Some members have reported good relief when taking 50 of dyphenidramine  ( Benadryl) some time before or just after ejaculation, in addition to taking another antihistamine every day, like cetirizine.   See the "antihistamine type" for more details, in my POIS Types Chart at http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2338.msg19448#msg19448 
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The Down Side / Re: Latest Ideas on NE Avoidance
« Last post by Quantum on Today at 08:54:35 AM »
I wanted to re-post here a link to an article on NE that has been shared by rudolphacunha this week:

https://www.seedoc.co/why-nightfall-happen-when-i-eat-much-and-when-i-recovered-it-happen-every-week-it-makes-me-dull-any-treatment/

Many tips are given, maybe some of you will find something useful in it to reduce nocturnal emissions to a minimum.

The article is quite short, so here it is, copy and paste:

"Hi, problems of nightfall are quite common in this age group. it is not a medical disorder and happens most often due to excess accumulation of semen.
generally the condition is not seen after marriage.
1. eat less of oily and fast food
2. almonds 3-5 daily
3. eat less in dinner, drink more water
4. masturbation is not contraindicated, rather it is one of the safest form of personal sexual gratification but off course not in excess.

Night fall or wet dreams is a very common occurrence among men, especially among adolescents . This condition is characterized by involuntary ejaculation during sleep in the night or in the early hours of the morning. The problem of night fall can be very frustrating for young men because most of the times they don’t understand the reason for it and also because it is a very embarrassing thing to discuss with not only their parents but also with their peers.
The frequency of these nocturnal emissions varies from person to person, most men only experience this condition in their adolescent years but few may suffer from it all their lives. this condition is very common and nothing really to worry about except in very few cases where it is very frequent spread over a long period of time.
Exercising regularly and avoiding spicy foods can lessen the frequency of nightfall.
1. Should start jogging or brisk walking for at least 30 minutes every day.
2. Should avoid consumption of any liquid for at least 2 hours before going to sleep.
3. Should go for urination just before going to bed.
4. Should avoid watching porn or erotic chats etc.
5. Start listening to soothing music which gives peace of mind and gives soothing effects like the meditation gives.
6. Should start reading good books at the time to keep the brain relaxed for a sound sleep.
7. If night fall happens then one should not worry about this, because if people keep on thinking about nightfall or have the fear of night fall at the time of sleeping then you get more chances to have the night fall again.
8. Should avoid constipation because an upset digestive system also sometimes causes night fall.
9. If the person is having the habit of taking milk at night then they should take milk in the evening instead of at night.
10. Start doing masturbation once in a while may help control night fall.
Remember to talk to your doctor before you start or stop your medications and never self medicate. "


Obviously, for those with POIS like us, #10 tip should be a "planned release", that is, taking a pre-pack that you know helps control and lower your symptoms, 1 hours before release, so you won't get full blast POIS cycle.
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I wanted to re-post here a link to an article on NE that has been shared by rudolphacunha this week:

https://www.seedoc.co/why-nightfall-happen-when-i-eat-much-and-when-i-recovered-it-happen-every-week-it-makes-me-dull-any-treatment/

Many tips are given, maybe some will find something useful in it to reduce nocturnal emissions to a minimum.


"Hi, problems of nightfall are quite common in this age group. it is not a medical disorder and happens most often due to excess accumulation of semen.
generally the condition is not seen after marriage.
1. eat less of oily and fast food
2. almonds 3-5 daily
3. eat less in dinner, drink more water
4. masturbation is not contraindicated, rather it is one of the safest form of personal sexual gratification but off course not in excess.

Night fall or wet dreams is a very common occurrence among men, especially among adolescents . This condition is characterized by involuntary ejaculation during sleep in the night or in the early hours of the morning. The problem of night fall can be very frustrating for young men because most of the times they don’t understand the reason for it and also because it is a very embarrassing thing to discuss with not only their parents but also with their peers.
The frequency of these nocturnal emissions varies from person to person, most men only experience this condition in their adolescent years but few may suffer from it all their lives. this condition is very common and nothing really to worry about except in very few cases where it is very frequent spread over a long period of time.
Exercising regularly and avoiding spicy foods can lessen the frequency of nightfall.
1. Should start jogging or brisk walking for at least 30 minutes every day.
2. Should avoid consumption of any liquid for at least 2 hours before going to sleep.
3. Should go for urination just before going to bed.
4. Should avoid watching porn or erotic chats etc.
5. Start listening to soothing music which gives peace of mind and gives soothing effects like the meditation gives.
6. Should start reading good books at the time to keep the brain relaxed for a sound sleep.
7. If night fall happens then one should not worry about this, because if people keep on thinking about nightfall or have the fear of night fall at the time of sleeping then you get more chances to have the night fall again.
8. Should avoid constipation because an upset digestive system also sometimes causes night fall.
9. If the person is having the habit of taking milk at night then they should take milk in the evening instead of at night.
10. Start doing masturbation once in a while may help control night fall.
Remember to talk to your doctor before you start or stop your medications and never self medicate. "


Obviously, for those with POIS like us, #10 tip should be a "planned release", that is, taking a pre-pack that you know helps control and lower your symptoms, 1 hours before release, so you won't get full blast POIS cycle.

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