Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (P.O.I.S.)

POIS Cause/Treatment Discussions => Hormonal Causes and Treatments => Topic started by: Vandemolen on August 25, 2018, 06:21:04 AM

Title: Is an ejaculation a trigger for Candida?
Post by: Vandemolen on August 25, 2018, 06:21:04 AM
I know there are a lot of topics about Candida. I know POIS and Candida are two different things. But what if an ejaculation triggers Candida? After an O. a lot of us have bowel problems. My stoma h makes sounds like when you are very hungry. So because it’s late and because I already had my daily portion of fruit I eat a bar of chocolate. And you know Candida likes sugar. One synptom of Candida is feeling cold. But it’s also a symptom for POIS and for an UTI. So when I am feeling cold for a few days and my scrotum hurts I will take antibiotics. But with the antibiotics I am helping the Candida. But in the first week the pain int he scrotum and the cold goes away so the antibiotics did it’s work. After two weeks of antibiotics the Candida hits in. I can see it beacause I get acne on my arms, chest and back. And even without sexual activity I get the symptoms of a bladder infection. I saw that Candida also causes UTI. So I am in a vicious circle. You can say: get rid of the antibiotics. But the pain really gets worse. I can bare the pain for 1 or 2 weeks, but not longer.

My theory is: what if something after an O. triggers Candida? The things that help against POIS are also being used against Candida. Like garlic and Niacin.

Just a thought.
Title: Re: Is an ejaculation a trigger for Candida?
Post by: Muon on August 25, 2018, 07:25:55 AM
In my opinion POIS makes you temporarily more susceptible for candida. The reason I say this: Look at file Muon 2-1, 2-2 and 2-3. Interferon gamma which is important for battling Candida species goes down after orgasm (orgasm between 2-1 and 2-2). At the same time IL-17 drops down which is important for host (mucosal) defense against candida (it plays also an important role in neutrophil-mediated inflammation but that's another story).

So my take on it is that when you orgasm you temporarily drop your host defense against candida and your tools to battle it at that time window becomes impaired. You are giving Candida and probably other opportunistic strains an opportunity to infect you by POIS. This has been measured after desensitzation and wonder if those values are low for a longer time window prior to that treatment. I think so because my candida was more frequent and more aggressive prior to that (especially the inside of my mouth). I can also feel that I'm more susceptible to candida/fungal infection when I'm in POIS, especially at the feet where it is harder to contain during relatively longer and more frequent POIS episodes.

Btw Candida is able to downregulate IL-17 by altering tryptophan metabolism. My brother has low IL-17 and an abnormal tryptophan level. http://www.jimmunol.org/content/early/2010/07/12/jimmunol.1000756.short
Perhaps it's also of interest to measure different subsets of IL-17 or measuring IL-17 and tryptophan both vs time.

Oral trush and IL-17:
"In previous work, we found the cytokine interleukin-17 (IL-17), a protein involved in immune regulation, must be present to prevent the development of thrush,"
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2014-09-unusual-immune-cell-oral-thrush.html?utm_source=TrendMD&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=MedicalXpress_TrendMD_1
Title: Re: Is an ejaculation a trigger for Candida?
Post by: Vandemolen on August 25, 2018, 10:35:27 AM
Two days ago I stopped antiobiotics after 2 weeks. Normal it’s for 3 weeks. I told my doctor by the way that I want to shorten the time of taking antiobiotics because in the 3th week I get Candida. But now I got Candida just after 1 week. I saw that because of the acne on my arms. Today I have joint pain. I don’t know is it because of the antiobiotics? Or is it from the Candida, that caused a bladder infection? So when I start another antibioitics cycle my Candida gets worse. And Candida causes bladder infection. So I don’t know what to do. Doing a few days nothing that probably will worsen my joint pain. But that’s the only option. In the mean time I eat 2 cloves of garlic every day. And drinking fermented milk and yoghurt. And I am on a pill with Pau d’ Arco, Grapefruit seed and Capryl acid.
Title: Re: Is an ejaculation a trigger for Candida?
Post by: Muon on August 25, 2018, 10:41:16 AM
You say you got Candida but how do you know this?
Title: Re: Is an ejaculation a trigger for Candida?
Post by: Vandemolen on August 25, 2018, 11:52:37 AM
My POIS doctor said that I don’t have acne but candida. I didn’t do any other checks. But I am planning to go to the Dutch National Candida Centre.
Title: Re: Is an ejaculation a trigger for Candida?
Post by: Hopeoneday on August 25, 2018, 12:02:19 PM
Vhat about prebskribtion probiotic vsl-3 after antibiotic use?
Title: Re: Is an ejaculation a trigger for Candida?
Post by: Muon on August 25, 2018, 12:11:09 PM
I went to Kullberg who contributed to the first article I posted above but he couldn't do anything for me. They said it wasn't systemic candida, that has been ruled out. The parameters that were abnormal could be anything.

Where is this Dutch National Candida Centre located? I never heard of it.
Title: Re: Is an ejaculation a trigger for Candida?
Post by: Vandemolen on August 25, 2018, 12:33:47 PM
Vhat about prebskribtion probiotic vsl-3 after antibiotic use?
I already take a lot of probiotics.
Title: Re: Is an ejaculation a trigger for Candida?
Post by: Vandemolen on August 25, 2018, 12:35:08 PM
I went to Kullberg who contributed to the first article I posted above but he couldn't do anything for me. They said it wasn't systemic candida, that has been ruled out. The parameters that were abnormal could be anything.

Where is this Dutch National Candida Centre located? I never heard of it.
Too bad that doctor Kullberg couldn’t help you.

It is in Nijmegen at the Radboud Medical Centre.
Title: Re: Is an ejaculation a trigger for Candida?
Post by: Vandemolen on August 25, 2018, 12:58:51 PM
I think that after I took too much pure cbd oil the cbd also triggers candida. After taking cbd I get a form of POIS even without sexual activity. I get gery tired, feeling sick and get infection on tongue and troath.
Title: Re: Is an ejaculation a trigger for Candida?
Post by: Muon on August 25, 2018, 01:20:46 PM
Ah you mean the candida expertise centre. Yes I went there. I saw the head of that department at that time, Kullberg. The problem is that they investigate invasive or systemic candida cases which I don't think that is the case in POIS. They will ask you the same question like I did before; how do you know have a (systemic) candida infection? I haven't heard a good argument yet. They probably will not measure your Th1/Th2/Th17 status, you may ask for it though and can show some data from this forum.

I don't think they can help you because they treat an entirely different kind of patient, patients who got their whole leg infected or have a persistent mouth infection which will not go away. They treat patients with very aggressive Candida infections. If you can't answer me about why you think you got candida then you can't answer them. And you cannot come up to them and tell them CBD triggered your candida, you will not be taken serious if you tell them this.
Title: Re: Is an ejaculation a trigger for Candida?
Post by: Vandemolen on August 25, 2018, 01:38:36 PM
Well, then maybe I have to go to a specialist at the local hospital first. What kind of specialist? Microbiology?
Title: Re: Is an ejaculation a trigger for Candida?
Post by: Muon on August 25, 2018, 02:14:34 PM
They told me to take cultures when another infection popped up, but that did not happen yet. That's a thing you don't know if it's candida in your case, it could be some obscure local inflammatory process. That's why I think you should test some parameters shown on this forum to find out. Perhaps what you proposed, a microbiologist would be something you could try. Maybe that specialist could take some cultures from your ejaculate or urine and investigate that. If you have results then I would go to places like Radboud as a next step.
Title: Re: Is an ejaculation a trigger for Candida?
Post by: Hopeoneday on August 25, 2018, 03:32:03 PM
Vsl-3 is his strenth preksribtion probiotic, me olso took ordinry witouth eny benefit for now.
Title: Re: Is an ejaculation a trigger for Candida?
Post by: Vandemolen on August 25, 2018, 05:22:15 PM
They told me to take cultures when another infection popped up, but that did not happen yet. That's a thing you don't know if it's candida in your case, it could be some obscure local inflammatory process. That's why I think you should test some parameters shown on this forum to find out. Perhaps what you proposed, a microbiologist would be something you could try. Maybe that specialist could take some cultures from your ejaculate or urine and investigate that. If you have results then I would go to places like Radboud as a next step.
One guy had succes with prostaris that was caused by candida. He took Itraconazole and Terbinafine for 3 months.

My POIS doctor is willing to listen about candida but a lot of other doctors they don’t acknowledge candida as a disease. I will ask him what kind of specialist I should go.

Now I take probiotics, garlic and niacin for a few days. And I stopped antiobiotics since a few days. Today I feel nauseous, I feel cold and I have joint pain. I don’t know if this is a UTI. Or it’s Candida Hersheimer reaction (Candida Die off reaction)? So the question is should I go with the detox or should I take antibiotics if it’s UTI.
Title: Re: Is an ejaculation a trigger for Candida?
Post by: Vandemolen on August 25, 2018, 05:23:17 PM
Vsl-3 is his strenth preksribtion probiotic, me olso took ordinry witouth eny benefit for now.
No I didn’t try VSL3 probiotics. Did you? Because I saw it’s expensive.
Title: Re: Is an ejaculation a trigger for Candida?
Post by: Vandemolen on August 25, 2018, 06:30:28 PM
The effect of mercury amalgam fillings on candida. I have 10 of those fillings.

https://lotusdental.com.au/candida-mercury-amalgam-link/
Title: Re: Is an ejaculation a trigger for Candida?
Post by: Hopeoneday on August 26, 2018, 02:32:08 AM
Yes , mercury and candida is beatufull combination. Me to hawe amalgam for whole life. Not good thing to have i mouth, a specualy us poisers, we should took them out.
Holistic aproach remowing is wery axpesnive, but it is only sawe way to remove.(tousends of euro costs).

Vsl 3, not so costly, about 50 units, a tougth hwo hawe insurance and doctor, he cold try for free.
I am working hard in wery sick condition, withouth insurance, and spend all my mony to testing suplements and food.
last thing i did inwest is cbd olil(75e) , did nothing for me.

Me hawe no isurance(because my ilnes), no doctor(no doctors for such ilnes in my country).
The poisers who liwe in country with good medicall care and insurance are lucky on that side.
I live in country where state do not care about not employed people(not giving them mony to survive if you cant work), and for exemple when i go in hospital they can not diagnose me for cronic fatigue ilnes and pots for exemple, there a no such a ilnes for them.
Title: Re: Is an ejaculation a trigger for Candida?
Post by: Muon on August 26, 2018, 07:05:41 AM
You are completely xxxxxx that you were born there HOD. Now that we had a major influx of people from the middle east my opinion about them is that they got an absolute xxxx mentality. I can imagine living among them making things even worse for you, especially those religious xxxxxxxx with an xxxxxx xxxxx xx.

Can you imagine the money we could spend on research as a community if we would have used it for research instead of going to all these specialists.
The healthcare system doesn't work for our type of patient. Health insurance companies should hand over a percentage of your monthly healtcare premium to a research institute of the disease you got.

xxxx = we don’t tolerate that kind of inappropriate language here

and that includes zero tolerance for wholesale ethnic/religious bashing

demo




Title: Re: Is an ejaculation a trigger for Candida?
Post by: Quantum on August 26, 2018, 10:10:32 AM
You are completely xxxxxx that you were born there HOD. Now that we had a major influx of people from the middle east my opinion about them is that they got an absolute xxxx mentality. I can imagine living among them making things even worse for you, especially those religious xxxxxxxx with an xx xxxxx xx.

xxxxx = language moderated by demografx


Hi Muon,

You are truly dedicated to raise the scientific level of the forums posts, like for lab results, chronic infection hypothesis, and the likes, and that's great.

However, I would like you to have the same concern for keeping the forum clear of immature and offending comments.  I am sure you can express your opinions with more appropriate words.   

Just like you are offended by pseudo-scientific comments, others may be by your inappropriate language.
 
Title: Re: Is an ejaculation a trigger for Candida?
Post by: Muon on August 26, 2018, 10:18:17 AM
That's fine Quantum, I will pay more attention to my language next time, no problem.
Title: Re: Is an ejaculation a trigger for Candida?
Post by: demografx on August 26, 2018, 11:18:39 AM
Thanks, Muon.

And thanks, Quantum.


Title: Re: Is an ejaculation a trigger for Candida?
Post by: Hopeoneday on August 26, 2018, 02:25:54 PM
Heh, Muon , I live in the midle of EU in the xxxxxx country. Financially and socially not good for living.

xxxxxx = please see Muon’s post above. Thanks.


Title: Re: Is an ejaculation a trigger for Candida?
Post by: Observer on August 26, 2018, 06:31:56 PM
Heh, Muon , I live in the midle of EU in the xxxxxx contry. Financialy and socialy not good for living.

Where do you exactly live , Hopeoneday? Maybe we can help you somehow and look for POIS-friendly doctors in your area (I know that there aren't many, unfortunately!).

Muon is a valuable contributor as Quantum said before. In general, I think it can be really helpful for our community to monitor our language to avoid antagonizing any group of people as this is a worldwide community. It's fine to have your own opinion and talk about conflictive situations with respect, but let's join our efforts in solving this common struggle.

Thanks for your words Muon, Quantum and demo.
Title: Re: Is an ejaculation a trigger for Candida?
Post by: demografx on August 26, 2018, 07:05:58 PM

Thanks for your words Muon, Quantum and demo.


Many thanks, Observer!
Title: Re: Is an ejaculation a trigger for Candida?
Post by: demografx on August 26, 2018, 07:06:39 PM

Can you imagine the money we could spend on research as a community if we would have used it for research instead of going to all these specialists.


My money wasted on specialists alone could have funded a Gallup World Poll POIS study :) :)




Title: Re: Is an ejaculation a trigger for Candida?
Post by: Vandemolen on August 27, 2018, 06:38:17 AM
Yes , mercury and candida is beatufull combination. Me to hawe amalgam for whole life. Not good thing to have i mouth, a specualy us poisers, we should took them out.
Holistic aproach remowing is wery axpesnive, but it is only sawe way to remove.(tousends of euro costs).

Vsl 3, not so costly, about 50 units, a tougth hwo hawe insurance and doctor, he cold try for free.
I am working hard in wery sick condition, withouth insurance, and spend all my mony to testing suplements and food.
last thing i did inwest is cbd olil(75e) , did nothing for me.

Me hawe no isurance(because my ilnes), no doctor(no doctors for such ilnes in my country).
The poisers who liwe in country with good medicall care and insurance are lucky on that side.
I live in country where state do not care about not employed people(not giving them mony to survive if you cant work), and for exemple when i go in hospital they can not diagnose me for cronic fatigue ilnes and pots for exemple, there a no such a ilnes for them.
I just ordered VSL#3. Thanks for the advice. They say there is an effect after a week. I will let you know. Here in The Netherlands the health inssurance doesn’t pay this. It costs 2 euro for 1 sac. In the first days I have to take one. Then two a day. And after 3 weeks if there are good results I can take one in two days.

Sorry to hear that your country is medically in a bad state. Luckily there are a lot of forum members who try things. And if they have succes you can try it too.
Title: Re: Is an ejaculation a trigger for Candida?
Post by: demografx on August 27, 2018, 09:02:09 AM

Muon is a valuable contributor as Quantum said before.


I agree, Observer!


Title: Re: Is an ejaculation a trigger for Candida?
Post by: Hopeoneday on August 27, 2018, 09:21:26 AM
Atleast let F leter in front of my contry , that people can translate to fine or fbutifull  :)
Title: Re: Is an ejaculation a trigger for Candida?
Post by: Nas on August 27, 2018, 09:28:30 AM
You are completely xxxxxx that you were born there HOD. Now that we had a major influx of people from the middle east my opinion about them is that they got an absolute xxxx mentality. I can imagine living among them making things even worse for you, especially those religious xxxxxxxx with an xxxxxx xxxxx xx.

Can you imagine the money we could spend on research as a community if we would have used it for research instead of going to all these specialists.
The healthcare system doesn't work for our type of patient. Health insurance companies should hand over a percentage of your monthly healtcare premium to a research institute of the disease you got.

xxxx = we don’t tolerate that kind of inappropriate language here

and that includes zero tolerance for wholesale ethnic/religious bashing

demo

Muon, there is a huge difference between criticizing a culture for the sake of improving it and criticizing it because you hate its people. Lately I've seen many of your comments getting closer to the level or racism rather than constructive criticism. I'm from the middle east myself and I criticize my culture all the time. And I appreciate it when western liberals back me up in support. But on the other hand right wing criticism is almost always racist and intolerant, and almost every time it's destructive and will get us nowhere but to establish no-good rivalries.
Title: Re: Is an ejaculation a trigger for Candida?
Post by: Muon on August 27, 2018, 10:55:19 AM
I can see why people find my comments borderline racist Nas. I will leave that sort of stuff out next time, not my intention, unnecessary and immature. I'm extremely triggered by politicians at the moment (+POIS) and the way they handle things. To be clear I have nothing against race however I do have something against the Islam ideology but you already noticed that.
Title: Re: Is an ejaculation a trigger for Candida?
Post by: Hopeoneday on August 27, 2018, 11:36:25 AM
Dont wory muon, we undertend you, at least me do. These tematics is wery complicated.
I personaly newer react hard on forum, because i hawe sewere pois and i konow how frustrurated and dewastated can be.
Ewan when i try to help somewone, i see a lot of frustration sometime. But i know that is because frustation of illnes, ewan peoples with best medical care contrys, cant be cured, and that can be realy frustrurating.
Title: Re: Is an ejaculation a trigger for Candida?
Post by: Vandemolen on August 27, 2018, 12:25:50 PM
Mods please delete all the off topic messages here. The day that this forum becomes a place for politics and critising religions or personal believes I am out of here. This is a medical forum. We are here to find a way to live with POIS. Or even better: a life without POIS. And that’s for everybody. Regardless his political view, his religion or his sexual preference.
Title: Re: Is an ejaculation a trigger for Candida?
Post by: Muon on August 27, 2018, 12:39:14 PM
I agree HOD. I also had some other frustrations lately. Was on the brink on getting samples shipped to Mayo Clinic during the heatwave here a month ago then at the last minute my general practioner did not cooperate and told me he had no time (180 degrees turn, why?...so disappointed). Such a shame I had everything prepared even logistics at -20 degrees celsius was not a problem. So basically the time window of testing is gone (high temperature) plus I need to look for another lab now. I think I will take some time off from computers.

@Vandemolen: I agree.
Title: Re: Is an ejaculation a trigger for Candida?
Post by: demografx on August 28, 2018, 04:43:49 PM
Mods please delete all the off topic messages here. The day that this forum becomes a place for politics and critising religions or personal believes I am out of here. This is a medical forum. We are here to find a way to live with POIS. Or even better: a life without POIS. And that’s for everybody. Regardless his political view, his religion or his sexual preference.

Very well said, Vandemolen!

We will leave this particular thread intact, so that we can refer to it in the future as an example.


Title: Re: Is an ejaculation a trigger for Candida?
Post by: demografx on August 30, 2018, 11:35:26 AM


I do have something against the Islam ideology...


2nd warning, Muon.
Demo

off-topic discussion about politics or religion will not be tolerated from now on, because it will distract us from achieving our goal.
Title: Re: Is an ejaculation a trigger for Candida?
Post by: Vandemolen on September 12, 2018, 08:38:21 AM
When I am sexual active twice a week I get dandruff and my skin is very fat. The only thing that helps is Ketoconazole shampoo. Ketoconazole is used against candida. So I am pretty sure that POIS triggers candid and that POIs has to do with the gut.
Title: Re: Is an ejaculation a trigger for Candida?
Post by: Vandemolen on September 14, 2018, 07:23:18 PM
The VSL3 helped me a bit. Now even when I am on antibiotics I don’t get Pityrosporum folliculitis (fungus acne) anymore.
Title: Re: Is an ejaculation a trigger for Candida?
Post by: Vandemolen on October 26, 2018, 03:33:42 PM
I will stop with vsl3. It’s just too expensive: 2 euro for 1 time. And it isn’t very helpfull. I still have vsl3 for 3 weeks. After that I will stop. I just drink kefir and eat yoghurt for probiotics.
Title: Re: Is an ejaculation a trigger for Candida?
Post by: Vandemolen on November 02, 2018, 06:39:44 PM
My candida right mow is so bad that if feels like I am in POIS. Bit my last sexual activity was 2 weeks ago. I have flu like symptoms, my skin and mouth are dry and feeling cold. And I have trouble to fall asleep. I also wake up after 4 hours of sleep. So now I will stop with antibiotics. I took pills for 10 days. Normally I must take the pills for 30 days. But the candida is now worse than the prostatitis. I hope that my POIS doctor will give me Fluconazol next week. For the coming days I will drink apple cider vinegar and drink and eat probiotics. Also taking vsl#3.
Title: Re: Is an ejaculation a trigger for Candida?
Post by: Vandemolen on November 27, 2018, 02:16:18 PM
I didn’t know it before but my parents told me today that when I was a small kid I had a few candida infections. I didn’t have a white tongue back then. But I had problems with my stomach. So the candida was in my bowels. My family doctor told my parents that the candida was caused by Nutella and chocolate. Maybe there are more POIS-patients ho have or had problems with candida?
Title: Re: Is an ejaculation a trigger for Candida?
Post by: Muon on November 27, 2018, 02:26:43 PM
Maybe there are more POIS-patients ho have or had problems with candida?

Yes I did have problems with candida. I suspect it's POIS/food/immune related. I don't get it why you don't test for some immune parameters, we can talk for years about this on the forum but if we don't test for anything what does it matter?
Title: Re: Is an ejaculation a trigger for Candida?
Post by: Vandemolen on November 27, 2018, 02:39:36 PM
Maybe there are more POIS-patients ho have or had problems with candida?

Yes I did have problems with candida. I suspect it's POIS/food/immune related. I don't get it why you don't test for some immune parameters, we can talk for years about this on the forum but if we don't test for anything what does it matter?
I have already done a lot of blood tests this year. Before this month I wasn’t focussed on candida. I was on Clomid and I got my mind set on the hormones. I will see my doctor next month and I will ask him iif they can check candida in the blood.
Title: Re: Is an ejaculation a trigger for Candida?
Post by: Muon on November 27, 2018, 03:14:11 PM
I have already done a lot of blood tests this year. Before this month I wasn’t focussed on candida. I was on Clomid and I got my mind set on the hormones. I will see my doctor next month and I will ask him iif they can check candida in the blood.
You did the wrong blood tests. Some advice: Set your mind on some of these parameters in the future like interleukins (especially IL-17 outside and during POIS), IgG subclasses and Th1/Th2 cytokine balance. You've got similar symptoms as I have. https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2545.0

What you are talking about, candida in the blood stream, is invasive candida (candidemia). Symptoms do not improve if you have this even if you are on anti-biotics/fungals. This is
a potential life threatening condition which is not the case for you. I'm 100% sure you have no candida in your blood stream. If you have this you will need to be hospitalized.
Title: Re: Is an ejaculation a trigger for Candida?
Post by: Vandemolen on November 27, 2018, 05:17:49 PM
I have already done a lot of blood tests this year. Before this month I wasn’t focussed on candida. I was on Clomid and I got my mind set on the hormones. I will see my doctor next month and I will ask him iif they can check candida in the blood.
You did the wrong blood tests. Some advice: Set your mind on some of these parameters in the future like interleukins (especially IL-17 outside and during POIS), IgG subclasses and Th1/Th2 cytokine balance. You've got similar symptoms as I have. https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2545.0

What you are talking about, candida in the blood stream, is invasive candida (candidemia). Symptoms do not improve if you have this even if you are on anti-biotics/fungals. This is
a potential life threatening condition which is not the case for you. I'm 100% sure you have no candida in your blood stream. If you have this you will need to be hospitalized.
Yes I know that type. I meant just candida markers in a bloodtest. My bad.
Title: Re: Is an ejaculation a trigger for Candida?
Post by: BoneBroth on November 28, 2018, 03:28:07 AM
Indirectly yes. Some hormones (cortisol), and hormone break down products that causes oxidation, lowers the body pH:

See my post about POIS and low pH here https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2835.msg26066#msg26066